Is 10 MPG Possible with a Fully Loaded (80K gross) 5 Axle Truck?

I appologize for my bad grammar - I could pay more attention, it's just I don't think it matters all that much. As long as you can understand what I'm sayin, of course

OK, OK, I was a little too hard on Dice, he is socialist only indirectly. All this research and his passion is actually all good, with having motivation to do ANYTHING out of box these days is worth big applause.

Problem is, he and everyone else seeking 10mpg truck is totally wrong expecting that fuel efficiency will make him money. There are to time horizons to this:
1. in short run they will kill their trucks and will be forced out of business as getting financing on a new truck is almost impossible to many
2. in the long run - efficiency gains will be TOTALLY eaten by customers who will be able to cut the rates since we are all competing to get loaded.

The only reason you can't see it is your permanent ignorance

Yes, that Obama's socialist policy toward making truck fuel efficient is totally communistic approach. They assuming it's gonna be good for EVERYONE (check out "collectivism" term before you get back to me)

Biggest way to improve mpg temporarily is to lug the engine into 1100 rpm vs 1400 (where it should be mostly). But it is going cut its life tremenodusly - in half, at least. But then, idiots like you are not going to stay in trucking for too long anyway, thats why we have this argument - because you are just a bunch of greenhorns. Have nice day

 

We're talking about coated bearings, if they won't last the only way we'll find out is if the fuel consumption returns to what it was before treatment, so what are you talking about NASCAR engines ? If you do your wheel bearings it's only going to cost like 900 dollars, so where's the big investment? No matter what you will make your money back, dice has also done his tranny, this has given him massive savings , if you don't understand what's going on here you should keep ure uneducated, childish , massive ego and ####### views to yourself cos really; you are making a fool out of yourself again!

 

You are completely deluded, not only have you just proven that you don't know how an engine works but you have just proven you don't have a clue how to drive a truck and you have any no idea how to conserve fuel! Someone needs to take you aside and explain powerbands to you cos until then myself and the other professionals here will be qpuaking in our boots laughing at your stupidity, hahaha

 

Has it ever occurred to you that everyone has different financial situation? Methods Dice has been trying may be totally impossible for you to afford, but maybe he can. What's wrong with that? Or are you suggesting nobody should be able to afford what Dice is doing because you can't? Are you a class warfare liberal?

Nobody's expecting a racecar to go 1,000,000 miles. Where the hell did this come from?

If you're talking about this coating on the ring gear and the pinion, it isn't going to ruin them after the coating wears off.

Note to Dice and others: I understand MicroBlue says it won't wear off, but if they are anything like molybdenum disulfide coating on engine bearings, it probably will eventually, though you'll still have the benefit of polished parts.

You said you have to drive at 34mph to realize the benefit of reduced frictional losses, as it gets slashed any speed beyond that.

Try checking the temperature of wheel bearings after driving at 34mph, and do the same thing after driving at 60mph. Tell me which one is hotter.

I don't know which universe you're living in, but where we live, frictional losses don't diminish at higher speed and the wheel bearings are hotter after driving at 60. Heat is the result of frictional loss.

You are correct on aerodynamic drag, though. No argument it is a big factor, and Dice has been addressing that area as well, and you'd know that if you actually read the whole thread.

I make grammatical mistakes as well. But I beg to differ that I believe, we as adults, should make efforts to minimize butchering language.

I still don't see how you make the connection between saving fuel and socialism. Dice isn't doing it to appease Al Gore. He's doing it for his own sake.

I can't see myself spending as much time/money on my truck as Dice has been doing, but that doesn't make his effort totally wrong. There you go again, anyone who disagrees with you is a (fill in the blank).

We all run trucks to make a living, but it's also sort of a hobby for some. Nothing wrong making money doing what you love. He may not realize ROI that satisfies YOU, but it's his truck and it's his money and nowhere has he asked for any subsidy.

How do you know their trucks will get killed? What kills their trucks? Increased fuel efficiency? You really think less fuel going into the engine when it doesn't need it will damage it somehow?

Do you really not understand that less load on engine (reduced aero drag, frictional losses, etc) results in less boost, therefore less fuel the engine requires to keep the pistons happy?

When industrial average mileage gets closer to 10mpg, yeah. But for now, it's still around 6~6.5mpg, and Dice is trying to find the edge over his competitors. The last time I checked, that's what capitalists do.

I don't need to look up the meaning of collectivism. I know it already. No argument from me as far as Obama's approach is concerned. It is unrealistic, and will further damage the ailing economy if implemented.

That said, I don't see anything wrong with improved fuel efficiency driven by emerging technologies and the market demand, rather than the government.

Now let me try this again. What makes Dice's efforts make him a socialist? He's doing this for his own gain. He's sharing the results here with the rest of us, and you're saying that makes him a collectivist?

The difference is, Dice isn't forcing anything to others. Obama is.

And you, sir, stated that Dice's experiments are idiotic because he will "kill his truck" by trying to save fuel, and you are trying to shove your ideals down his and everybody else's throats.

Nice of you for looking out for us, but if you apply your logic, you too are a collectivist and your approach is more akin to Obama's than Dice's. Good thing you are not an elected official. You'd make just as a lousy statesman as Obama.

CAT says Acert can be lugged down, but I usually split it to lower EGT. There are times when trying to save fuel causes more harm than good, and this is one of those.

I've already been doing it, but thanks for the tip.

We'll see. So far, I'm making enough to make me stay afloat (about $20k gross a month, and $13k after fuel thanks to my fuel-efficient Bully Dog'ed "socialistic" CAT Acert).

Look yourself in the mirror and repeat the above.

Have a good evening, and please get a life for your own good.

 

You made it up. I said something opposite. You can't read, yet teaching me how to write? WTF?

I agree, it is complete waste of time and money, it wont last. As for polishing - there always been many people claiming polishing manifolds helps tremendously - they were all like you, full o s***. I doesn't help on a truck one bit. Many places keep selling this idea, nonetheless (moron buyers are plenty)

I just wanted to enlighten you to the fact, that the faster you drive, the less frictional losses matter in the whole picture as aero drag losses increase to replace them percentage-wise. Thats why we don't give rat ### about them - as long you are trucking the usual way. Some people just pretend though

Improving aero drag is also just another dream of yours (if you already drive aero truck of course)

Because you want to impress people with stupid things that don't matter at all in the times of coming depression

There is huge connection - modern communists want us to become twice fuel efficient so they can increase taxes on fuel without pissing of the people as total cost will stay the same (which it won't, of course) - exactly the way they did in Europe where all those brainwashed people believe they need to drive 75hp piece of s*** "cars" to save the planet

No, it is not wrong to put efforts into wahatever you want. However he is wrong on so many things I decided to share my opinion. Isn't that the reason for this thread? Or, maybe he just want to fxck everyone Kevin Rutherford-style? Selling snake oil Micro-Blue? I'm sorry to disclose your conspiracy hahahaha

What ROI? From that Micro-Blue ######## coating that won't last one freaking day?

Extreme fuel saving makes it hard on engine as it become underpowered piece of sweating crap, it's like you would use Ford-450 to pull the loaded 53' trailer. You can do it, just for not too long

You only halucinating - you can't cut load on the engine in any reasonable way. That is just fantasy of yours

Not really, big fleets are doing the same. They also lugging their engines to get best mpg. And then get rid of the worn out trucks at 400-500k miles. Same idea

And it is based on being green by being energy efficient - thats the latest idea how to make people poor to make them manageable

I told you already - one more time: becoming "green" for no reason other than political gains. In the long run it will cost him more than he will ever save - exactly the way investing into wind energy made Britts pay increased electricity bills. You are all idiots in the same way. If you want make more $, just work more. All this "efficiency" thing - you can shove it. All these % numbers are made up since there is no affordable way to measure them in the real world before you actually do the changes. It's all crap shot

I need true competition in my business, no some bankrupted fairy tellers

Thank you, but I'm not planing to be politician

CAT started doing this - then all the other manufacturers were forced into doing the same, as lugging is improving mpg for next 200k miles. Then you have to rebuilt the motor, which isn't easy since its all abused POS with bent crankshaft

I don't give a sXXX about what you make but if you really want to know my opinion - you don't make much. Good Luck and God Night

 

With that in mind, do you think that we, as adults, should avoid beginning sentences with conjunctions, like "but?" Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

That's fine and dandy, but could you do so without belittling and name-calling others? Whether you're right or wrong, people will be more inclined to listen to what you have to say.

I wrote a reply to each one of your paragraph, but in the interest of keeping this thread alive, I chose to delete them except the one above.

If you think I couldn't come up with any come-back at you and claim victory, that's perfectly fine by me. If I replied, we'd keep going back and forth with the same stuff over and over. It is clear neither one of us is going to convince the other.

I agree to disagree and move on with my life, and I hope you'll do the same. Good luck back to you, and good bye.

 

If nothing else PH is entertaining, completely daft and clueless, imagine been his wife! God bless her, listening to that rubbish everyday! Probably has a better idea than her of how she needs to use the lav! On the down side once again he's managed to wreck a good thread, we could pick parts of his arguments all night that don't make sense and argue back but there's no point! He'll just keep coming back with stupid remarks and insults, we can all see how stupid he is, mildly ret**ded I'd say! so when he comments again, laugh to yourself and just ignore this prat because that's all he is!

 

Too right ! Well said