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is fracwater hazmat?

Discussion in 'Tanker, Bulk and Dump Trucking Forum' started by nicholas_jordan, Apr 9, 2012.

is eagle ford better than Permian Basin?

Poll closed Jul 3, 2012.
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    weather makes EFS preferrable

    3 vote(s)
    60.0%

  2. does not mater as one is in the cab often

    1 vote(s)
    20.0%

  3. no - it does not matter

    1 vote(s)
    20.0%

  4. state parks are closer so EFS is better

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. Apr 19, 2012 #11
    Green Machine

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    New well pads are still being put in though. So with that they still need water trucks :). In my area the soil stabilizing company said that Chesapeake wants one well every square mile.
     
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  3. Apr 19, 2012 #12
    Logan76

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    Drill mud isnt hazmat, I've hauled a ton of that crap, oil based and your average mud.
     
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  4. Apr 20, 2012 #13
    joshua1514

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    Not all mudd is hazmat but some is due to high diesel fuel content. UN 1993, but if you can enjoy a mud job you'll be better off, frac water is easy mudd can be a pain inthe #####
     
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  5. Apr 20, 2012 #14
    Logan76

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    I don't do that kind of work anymore, I couldnt deal with the ups and downs of the gas patch.
     
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  7. Apr 21, 2012 #15
    nicholas_jordan

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    I am seeking to determine if I can handle the fumes and so on around a water-truck, I had the list of "what goes in it" and at the moment have Cornell L.L.I. open on the list of materials, that would be a good research project for anyone interested but I do not expect to find much from 172.101


    I was rather sure of that, I was asking thinking I could drive a water truck....always one place to start in the industry I have always been in...

    that actually is what I was thinking and what I was hoping for, stuff probably is not real bad thus I could seek to drive a water truck for someone like Gila and "get up" { meaing get back on my feet }

    In general, thanks to everyone for participation as this gives me needed info, I can deal with cyclic variation of employment but cannot be around heavy diesel all day so I was thinking driving a water truck to be something I could handle....
     
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  8. May 14, 2012 #16
    RockinChair

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    Produced water is not. I see water haulers every day, and they never have placards.

    Flowback might be.
     
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  9. May 14, 2012 #17
    smith202

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    From what I understand from several in the industry it is not disclosed what is in the drilling chemicals as that is the big companies 'secret' they don't want their competition to know about. Anyrate if you are sensitive to things or have bad allergies this may not be the type of work you will like or can tolerate. And no, it is not hazmat that I know of, no one where I'm at has a placard for it on any of the tankers......
     
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  10. May 15, 2012 #18
    nicholas_jordan

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    thank you RockinChair & smith202

    RC - I am seeking frack-water tanker, I read the list of what is in it and there is very little ~ I guess I could get stuck hauling whatever they tell me .....

    smith -- correct, but I have nearly no choice in the matter as what they are paying for frack-water tanker-drivers it seems to me I could risk hooking up a pumper-hose as that is not right on the drill deck so since I have been too long without work & things are in uptick then I just sorta figured I have to go talk to each company and disclose what is going on here ~ I even have it as objective in my "resume" [ work history ] that I have to stay within OSHA label limits

    that has proven to be something I can keep going in that environment
     
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  11. May 15, 2012 #19
    GasHauler

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    I don't see anywhere that those names you listed are proper shipping names. Even the UN9189 I can not find. I think you guys see the problem and the answer here. The oil companies will go to extreme lengths to keep a product that works a secret then call it work product and then hide. I do believe that if there were an accident and the product hurt someone the opposing lawyers would go deep into the product to find blame. And they very well might. Just because the companies have not been classifying the product does not mean it's not hazmat. I'm going to do some outside our regulations digging and see what I can find.
     
    GasHauler, May 15, 2012
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  12. May 15, 2012 #20
    GasHauler

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    I believe that Fracturing Fluids are protected under several acts approved by Congress. Here's one statement that deals with the Clean Water Act. Except for diesel-based addtive fracturing fluids the EPA has declared all other Frac Fluids be excluded from the Clean Water Act. It was taken even further by Congress by passing the FRAC Act which excluded Frac Fluids from the Safe Drinking Water Act.

    So to me if the fluids are safe to drink then how can they be Hazmat? Care for a glass of water?
     
    GasHauler, May 15, 2012
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