Is it okay to work past the 14 hr when in training w/Mentor?

HOS of service applies even if training. I’m assuming that you’re team driving with your mentor. If he’s driving you can be off duty in the second seat and then 8 in SB. Whichever duty status you do first is up to you.

If the truck isn’t moving you can be on duty as long as you like or off duty. Problem is you got to show SB At some point or a motel receipt.

 

The 14 hour clock limits how long you can drive after the 1st work activity since your 10 hour break. 14 hours after you do a Pre-Trip Inspection, for example, you must stop driving even if you have Driving time available.

When sitting at a customer most drivers will go Off-Duty or Sleeper for the waiting period. This can save or freeze the 14 hour clock. If you know you will be waiting at least 3 hours & you log those 3 or more hours in the Sleeper your 14 hour clock is frozen, instead of continuing to run down as you wait.

Have you asked your mentor about this? What does he say?

 

If it was me and I was riding in the passenger seat, I'd log sleeper berth.

 

Winner.
Her mentor will have her burn through 70 hours in 3.5 days or less.

 

Just a word of caution. I highly advise caution when it comes to the you can work past the 14 hours as long as you are not driving. These regulations can be somewhat confusing.

If you are doing this and burning up those weekly hours defined in 395.5 and have your HOS looked at by a state DOT enforcement officer, I highly suggest that the total weekly hours be under 70. If not that DOT officer IS GOING TO PLACE YOU OUT OF SERVICE and most likely write a citation.

Also even if you are not stopped by a state officer if you keep busting that 70 you can expect to get an invite to go have a chat with your friendly safety critter. Yes, from time to time you can bust that 14, but unless there have been changes in the safety dept logging software a bust is going to get flagged.

I HIGHLY recommend you obey ALL those clocks! I still can't understand why people still confuse 395.5(b) which plainly says ON DUTY to state it is OK to bust these clocks as long as you are not driving!


§ 395.5 Maximum driving time for passenger-carrying vehicles.

(a) No motor carrier shall permit or require any driver used by it to drive a passenger-carrying commercial motor vehicle, nor shall any such driver drive a passenger-carrying commercial motor vehicle:

(1) More than 10 hours following 8 consecutive hours off duty; or

(2) For any period after having been on duty 15 hours following 8 consecutive hours off duty.

(b) No motor carrier shall permit or require a driver of a passenger-carrying commercial motor vehicle to drive, nor shall any driver drive a passenger-carrying commercial motor vehicle, regardless of the number of motor carriers using the driver's services, for any period after—

(1) Having been on duty 60 hours in any 7 consecutive days if the employing motor carrier does not operate commercial motor vehicles every day of the week; or

(2) Having been on duty 70 hours in any period of 8 consecutive days if the employing motor carrier operates commercial motor vehicles every day of the week.


On-duty time means all time from the time a driver begins to work or is required to be in readiness to work until the time the driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work. On-duty time shall include:

(1) All time at a plant, terminal, facility, or other property of a motor carrier or shipper, or on any public property, waiting to be dispatched, unless the driver has been relieved from duty by the motor carrier;

(2) All time inspecting, servicing, or conditioning any commercial motor vehicle at any time;

(3) All driving time as defined in the term driving time;

(4) All time in or on a commercial motor vehicle, other than:

(i) Time spent resting in or on a parked vehicle, except as otherwise provided in § 397.5 of this subchapter;

(ii) Time spent resting in a sleeper berth; or

(iii) Up to 3 hours riding in the passenger seat of a property-carrying vehicle moving on the highway immediately before or after a period of at least 7 consecutive hours in the sleeper berth;

(5) All time loading or unloading a commercial motor vehicle, supervising, or assisting in the loading or unloading, attending a commercial motor vehicle being loaded or unloaded, remaining in readiness to operate the commercial motor vehicle, or in giving or receiving receipts for shipments loaded or unloaded;

(6) All time repairing, obtaining assistance, or remaining in attendance upon a disabled commercial motor vehicle;

(7) All time spent providing a breath sample or urine specimen, including travel time to and from the collection site, to comply with the random, reasonable suspicion, post-crash, or follow-up testing required by part 382 of this subchapter when directed by a motor carrier;

(8) Performing any other work in the capacity, employ, or service of, a motor carrier; and

(9) Performing any compensated work for a person who is not a motor carrier.

 

That's not true. If you work over 60 in 7 or 70 in 8, you have to take a 34 RESET before you can drive again. Not just a 10.

 

Which, amazingly, might be illegal. That 397 seems to be written to make doing that illegal. Weird.

 

Since no details/circumstances were mentioned by the OP or in my reply. It MIGHT be legal and it MIGHT be illegal to go Off-Duty. The answer is aimed at someone having trouble with the 14 hour clock. We can dump a career-worth of details on a newbie but I don't expect they will learn from more than one item at a time.

 

Are you sure? A 34 reset is not mandatory. Some drivers run on recapped hours everyday, and do so for weeks at a time.

 

YES, if you have gone past your 60/70 for the week and are not getting any hours back at midnight you MUST either wait until you get recap hours back or do the 34-hour reset.