Is my CB junk?

Discussion in 'CB Radio Forum' started by dodgeram440rt, Sep 30, 2010.

  1. dodgeram440rt

    dodgeram440rt Heavy Load Member

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    Ok, gonna bring this back up...again. There is nothing I would like to do more than to buy a good radio and a couple of those big fancy antennas, but that's not gonna happen anytime soon. I know, if I can't do what's needed, why keep bringing this up? Well, I'm trying to learn. I've done a little research about the swr which just brought up more questions. The first thing I learned is that I probably got screwed by the cb shop that tested my swr, although he only charged me $5 so I'm not crying too hard.

    What I've read about testing swr, the meter should be connected inline with the radio. Meaning the coax from the antenna is connected to the meter then a jumper coax is connected from the meter to the radio. After the connections are made, the radio is tuned to channel 1 and and there is some setting made on the dial. (This is just a general description of the procedure from my research) Then the radio is tuned to channel 40 and the procedure is repeated and the actual swr is said to be the mid-point of the 2 readings. The person at the cb shop only hooked up his meter to the coax in my truck, not connecting to the radio at all, and flipped a switch on his meter then told me the swr was 1.26. My question here is, is that correct? Or do I need to get it rechecked somewhere else?

    My research turned up another interesting piece of info. What I was reading had said that they have run into situations on pre-wired trucks where the swr actually tested good, but the customers still complained of problems. The problem turned out to be the cheap and wrong type of coax the manufacturers used in production. I guess to aide in production, the manufacturers used plug-in type cables in multiple pieces instead of one long cable with the proper connectors on the ends. Though it doesn't seem to affect the swr, it does have an affect on reception which is the problem I seem to be having. The obvious fix is to replace the cable with 18 feet of the right kind of coax.

    Now here is an interesting tidbit. To refresh for a moment, my main problem is that frequently I only hear one side of a conversation on my radio. I can hear what seems to be someone obviously talking to another driver, but to me he is just talking to himself. Many of you have suggested that perhaps the other driver is out of my range. Last week I was in Charlotte, NC at MM 12. I heard a lady come on asking if someone going south could give her a ride. I heard the driver in front of me ask where she was at (I know he was in front of me because he said he was at MM 12) and she replied that she was at the truck stop at MM 39. I would say that 27 miles is a pretty good range, but that was also the only thing we heard at the time. But also yesterday, I was again hearing only half a conversation when another driver passed me. When I looked over, the driver was just hanging up his mic, yet I didn't hear anything. Now I understand that a reasonable explaination for that is that he was on a different channel. Or, I have a problem. But I also saw a school bus driver on the radio and didn't hear anything either. Again, could possibly have been on a different channel.

    So now, based on my research above, I'm thinking my cheapest fix might be to get some coax and use that to connect my radio with. But since I have dual antennas, do I do that with both sides? Or just one side or the other? And If I just do one side, which side do I connect to, or does it matter? If I do both sides, how do I connect both cables to the one radio?

    One other quick question. I pulled off the road the other morning when it was still dark and a freaking monster tree limb snapped off my passenger side antenna. Fortunately that was the only damage done, but I haven't talked on the radio since then. It's my understanding that it's when transmitting with a high swr that will burn up the radio and I'm sure that snapping off the antenna like that is gonna cause the swr to skyrocket since that is where it's adjusted at. I've had the radio on so I can listen to it, but I haven't touched the mic on it yet. I have replaced the antenna with a cheap replacement of the same length that was on it, but I haven't had it adjusted yet. My question is, would it be safe to talk on it with just replacing the antenna or should I wait until I get the swr adjusted?
     
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  3. Peanut Butter

    Peanut Butter Road Train Member

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    You have to have both antennas working and coax is fixed for duel antennas you have to look for duel coax in the antenna section, you can put a single antanna on with a single coax if your company will allow, i have one of those midland radios like you have and it worked fine in the truck,, but when checking swrs you do have to have the meter connected between the radio and antennas to get the right swr reading. have your anntennas and coax checked to make sure there are no breaks or that the coax isnt shorted out.
     
  4. dodgeram440rt

    dodgeram440rt Heavy Load Member

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    Why couldn't I just run one new cable from one antenna to the radio, leaving the other antenna disconnected from the radio? I understand that I would need to check the swr.
     
  5. Dave 1960

    Dave 1960 Road Train Member

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    I don't remember what sort of truck you are driving but my '06 Century only uses the drivers side antenna.
     
  6. AXE

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    What about an 05 Columbia? Snapped off the passenger side antenna but still seems to transmit and relieve ok.
     
  7. dodgeram440rt

    dodgeram440rt Heavy Load Member

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    I have an 09 Columbia. I also snapped off the passenger side antenna and it still received ok. I never tried transmitting because I've read on here and other places that transmitting with a high swr will burn up your radio, and since the swr is tuned by the length of the wire in the antenna, snapping it off would certainly spike the swr, I'm sure. Of course, I'm no expert, so I could be wrong. But to play it safe, I still haven't transmitted anything even though I've already replace the broken antenna. I just haven't "tuned" it yet for swr. It's a cheap radio, but it's all I've got and I can't afford another one right now.
     
  8. Xcis

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    For stock out of the box CB radios, you can use a short length of RG 58 coaxial cable, you could connect to the antenna on the driver's side and run the coax through the driver side window to the radio. It will work but it just may not look real pretty. RG 58 is the minimum standard type of coax for a single antenna setup. RG 59 is only used on co-phased dual antenna setups. While there are other types of coax, more expensive types, they are not necessary or cost effective for short lengths and non-amplified installations. The only reqirement for coax length is that it must be long enough to connect the radio to the antenna. Contrary to public myth, there is no requirement for 18 feet of coax. You can save a little money by using RG58 and keep the lengths shorter than 18 feet. If you are using a high power output setup, by all means use the more expensive coax. I am just saying, for stock CB's it is not necessary.

    To check the SWR, the antenna and its coax is connected to the output or antenna side of the SWR meter and a short cable, 2 to 3 feet long, connects the meter to the radio.

    1. Turn the meter knob all the way down.
    2 Put the switch into FORWARD position.
    3 Select channel 1.
    4 Turn the radio ON
    5 Key the mike
    6 Adjust the meter to SET/FULL scale
    7 Flip the switch to REFLECTED and read the SWR
    8 Turn the mike off.
    9 Repeat steps 1 through 8 this time using channel 40.

    If your SWR readings are higher on channel 40, you shorten your antenna an 1/8th of an inch at a time. If your SWR readings are higher on channel 1, lengthen your antenna an 1/8th of an inch at a time. Go back and do steps 1 through 8 for both channel 1 and channel 40. Repeat as necessary.

    General rule is if the SWR reading is:
    . 1.5 or lower your installation is okay to use.
    . 3.0 or higher, you have a connection problem and can damage the power transistors by using the radio.
    If it is between 1.5 and 2.9 this usually indicates a tune the antenna problem. But, if tuning does not lower the SWR reading, then you need to recheck the installation. This means check the antenna, coax and ground plane.

    Tractors are notorious for insufficient ground pland and cheap antennas and coax.
     
  9. Peanut Butter

    Peanut Butter Road Train Member

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    You can run one single coax to one antenna but buy the 18 foot coax to make sure your swrs are right, 18 foot seems to be the right amount to make things work right. plus most radio shops will recomend the same.
     
  10. Eagle_Eye

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    i just got a pitiful little Cobra 18 and I been told it was ok and it was junk.
     
  11. dodgeram440rt

    dodgeram440rt Heavy Load Member

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    But was it a brand new radio?
     
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