Is that it for reefer?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by supremeguy, May 18, 2011.

  1. 25(2)+2

    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Ah yes, pallets. Sometimes you had to buy pallets for dry loads, too, but I never ran across that where I had both reefer and van. That company wanted to use Chep (the blue) pallets, but some clients made us use regular pallets and then wanted them returned. I think there is a Canadian version that is painted dull orange.

    I'm working for one of those clients now, and they are trying to get most pallets returned, they threaten to charge us 5 bucks per pallet for any not returned without an explanation or permission.They don't have to be in great shape, just in the box.

    The drops to susidiaries, we often leave if getting a heavy backhaul so we can scale the load, those don't count against us. other places stiff us or make us wait to get them back.

    Most warehouses won't return Chep pallets back to you, the smaller operations that don't deal directly with Chep wil give you Chep pallets back, sometimes because they have some sitting.

    As far as lumpers, that is a function of where you are delivering to, and the load that to this day ticks me off the most was a lightweight load of metal wool delivered to another DCand it was on a van. It had to be knocked down, basically to fit on their racks simple take off 3 of 6 layers and put it on other pallets, 100 bucks for the load, would have taken me 90 minutes and the heaviest lifting would have been the pallets from the stacks. I made 57 dollars for picking that up in downtown Chicago and delivering it, on a schedule I couldn't possibly meet and then sitting for an extra day with no detention pay because appointments could only be scheduled by E-mail, and at the customer's convenience. I was told by dispatch they needed me on another load, so I should just hire the lumper.

    Lumpers are responsible for counting, varifying quality or lack of damage, sorting product to separate pallets for verifying what was delivered.

    Pull offs and pinwheeling are easily accomplished with Chep pallets and almost any mover, they are 4 way for about anything by the way they put together. Pull offs were expected at some DCs and we got paid for them. I have done breakdowns(sorting by product on pallets) and have gotten paid for it where I am now.

    Drop and hook reefer. we don't do that anymore, we had a client where we did, but many of those loads turned into live loads. Not enough trailers in the fleet anymore, so it's all live now.

    Drop and hook with the other company, the reefer we took in had to be almost full of fuel, the trailer we would pick up loaded would be out of fuel(how did that happen?:biggrin_2552:) and then we had to fuel it again before dropping it at the other end. The last few times there, I live unloaded just to keep my trailer and not have to show another fuel stop on my log book. That was also partially due to those people loading a load on a trailer with a tire missing a sidewall and waiting for someone to fix it before I could leave. Lights not working, bad tires, air leaks; isn't drop and hook wonderful? Vans have all of those things, too. Reefer not running is not a problem with a van, though.


    Not all reefer loads use pallets, ever have one on hooks? Those are special trailers called raillers. We don't use them right now, but those loads felt like pulling a tanker that was partly full. I haven't pulled a floor load because the opportunity with our freight lanes just isn't there.
     
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  3. harleymanjax

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    Speaking of refers..............

    Son I do believe you done smoked yourself retarded!................:biggrin_2559:
     

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  4. ironpony

    ironpony Road Train Member

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    We don't do pallets.

    Shippers put 'em in.

    Receivers keep 'em.

    I like that! :biggrin_25525:

    The only complication is if the receivers don't do their part in this little scheme. Then its either find a convenient place to sell 'em for some extra cash... or find a convenient place to dump 'em.
     
  5. Injun

    Injun Road Train Member

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    Not sure whether the insult was necessary. There is no way for someone not involved with the industry to know the answers to the questions that were asked.


    Cute dog, though. I like Boxers.
     
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  6. NDBADLANDS

    NDBADLANDS Medium Load Member

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    Injun, please explain to me ( newbie never been OTR) why the driver is even involved in paying a lumper? I think I know but want to hear it from you. I cannot fathom a company making a driver pay first and paid later, for their business transaction.
     
  7. ironpony

    ironpony Road Train Member

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    It depends on whether you pull for a stand-up carrier, or a total cheap S.O.B. b%*#$%d who is out to rip-off drivers and profiteer off of their misery. If you pull for the former, you get reimbursed for the costs. If its the latter, you foot their bill, get screwed without benefit of fifth wheel grease - and need to find a real job.
     
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  8. Injun

    Injun Road Train Member

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    It's a big circle jerk on the government as far as I can see. Driver pays lumper and takes it off taxes. Company pays driver and takes it off taxes. Shipper pays company and takes it off taxes. Receiver pays shipper and takes it off taxes.

    Why the driver is in this equation: suposedly, the driver has the option of unloading the trailer and, in fact, this was normal operating proceedure in days gone by. Ask the old-timers. This is a false option in many places because the lumper company has a "contract" with the receiver that they will be the only workers on te dock. The receiver throws so many rules and requirements at the driver it is virtually impossible for the driver to meet them. From insurance requirements to clothing/attire/shoe requirements to time limits to equipment usage prohibitions...there are places that will not even allow you to use one of their hand jacks. Unless you have an equipment training card. Where do you get the card? "I dunno..." so, since the drivers, in theory, have the option to keep that money in their pockets and do it themselves, it then falls to the driver to hire...and pay.... a lumper. It's a very frustrating scam.
     
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  9. NDBADLANDS

    NDBADLANDS Medium Load Member

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    How in the hell did the driver ever get stuck with this? Makes no sense to me.
     
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    NDBADLANDS Medium Load Member

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    Scam is right, thanks for the insight. Follow the dollar and you will always get your answer. It just seems to be so obvious and yet "standard operating procedure".

    Again Wow just Wow!
     
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    NDBADLANDS Medium Load Member

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    They make the lowest paid employee, pay their upfront fees. Something stinks?
     
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