Is there a "BUFFER" to get to the next truck stop when the driving as no more hours ?

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  1. windsmith

    windsmith Road Train Member

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    No such thing as a safe space in trucking.
     
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    I'll be... You're right. I was always taught the 14 was excluded (which the fmcsa guidance even says), but the code itself says you get an extra 2 hours for all 395.3a limits.

    395.3a limits:
    14 hour rule
    11 hour rule
    8 hour rule

    ...but not the 70-hour rule because that falls under 395.3b
     
    double yellow, Mar 18, 2018
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    I'm not crazy. The 2010 rules excluded the 14 hour rule. The 2015 rules do not.

    2010 rules:
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    2015 rules:
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    Says "maximum time".....not "maximum driving time......" so I read it to say you can go 2 hrs. beyond the 14 hr. limit, is that right?
     
    Makeajump, Mar 18, 2018
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    Below are from A FMCSA Publication:
    https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/sites/fmcsa.dot.gov/files/docs/Drivers Guide to HOS 2015_508.pdf
    From page 12:
    What Is the Adverse Driving Conditions Exception? If unexpected adverse driving conditions slow you down, you may drive up to 2 extra hours to complete what could have been driven in normal conditions. This means you could drive for up to 13 hours, which is 2 hours more than allowed under normal conditions. Adverse driving conditions mean things that you did not know about when you started your run, like snow, fog, or a shut-down of traffic due to a crash. Adverse driving conditions do not include situations that you should have known about, such as congested traffic during typical “rush hour” periods. Even though you may drive 2 extra hours under this exception, you must not drive after the 14th consecutive hour after coming on duty, and you must comply with the minimum 30-minute rest break provisions.
    From page 14:
    Adverse driving conditions • Up to 2 additional hours of driving time • Additional driving time must fall within 14-hour driving window • Weather or traffic condition must be unknown at start of run
     
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    Ok that's a much clearer clarification than the "Guidance" even. Thanks!
     
    Makeajump, Mar 18, 2018
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    The guidance has not been updated since the rule changed in 2015. See post 83
     
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    Where’s the Safe Heaven clause?
     
    IluvCATS, Mar 18, 2018
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    397.5

    It has nothing to do with hours of service. Safe havens are locations where certain classes of hazmat cargo can be left unattended.
     
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