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Is this placard illegal?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by double yellow, Jul 24, 2012.

Is this a legal placard?

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    yes

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    no

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  3. i don't know

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  1. Jul 24, 2012 #1
    double yellow

    double yellow Road Train Member

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    Repowering a bulk shipment and this is how the load is placarded:

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    My safety department assures me over the phone that the placard is legal (yet they strangely will not send a qualcomm message to that effect). I think it might fly if the entire placard was solid black with just an 8, but the corrosive lettering and top-half picture lead me to believe I could potentially get a ticket for it.

    Aside from not wanting ANY csa points on my record (so I wont be limited to bottom feeders), this is a piddly 300-mile run that wouldnt even cover the cost of a fine...

    So, is this a legal placard? All four are the same...
     
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  3. Jul 24, 2012 #2
    CenutryClass

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    A pic might help

    What does the bol say?
     
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  4. Jul 24, 2012 #3
    double yellow

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    pic fixed. bol is good -- 42000 lbs of UN 2801 in 50L containers. class 8, pg II erg 154. no other products in this shipment...
     
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  5. Jul 24, 2012 #4
    CenutryClass

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    if memory serves me correct, you need a corrosive 8 placard + the orange/black UN numbers..

    that seems janky to me, and might be a sure way to get a ticket.
     
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  7. Jul 24, 2012 #5
    CenutryClass

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    The UN number is blocking the placard, and the regs state that the placard, must be obstruction free.
     
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  8. Jul 24, 2012 #6
    Mark Kling

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    You mention bulk. You can have 1001 lbs of the product in a container and have the Class 8 Corrosive placard. If any container is over 1001 lbs of the product then you would need the Placard with the correct UN number which should be on your BOL provided by the shipper. Most places the shipper will provide the correct Placards.

    Is any container (ea) > 1001 lbs? Yes - Need UN Placard.

    Are all containers (ea) <= 1001 lbs? Yes - Need class 8 Placard.

    You do not go by total weight of the load. You go by total weigh of the shipping container (ea) the product is in.

    Most times bulk will be in a tanker.

    "42000 lbs of 2801, class 8, pg II erg 154. nothing else..." I suspect you have containers that are <= 1001 lbs and in that case you have the wrong Placard.

    Bulk will prevent you from going through tunnels and over some bridges.

    http://cfr.vlex.com/vid/172-558-corrosive-placard-19942154

    http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/hazmat/placards/class8.html

    http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/hazmat/placards/class8-chemicals.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UN_numbers_2801_to_2900



    Mark
     
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  9. Jul 24, 2012 #7
    double yellow

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    They are all 50L containers, but since it is a shipment of just that product so it is considered bulk, requiring the UN # (of this I am sure). If they loaded 25lbs of kitty litter in addition to the 42,000lbs of product, I could run just a standard class 8 placard.

    I am repowering the load 1000+miles from the shipper so I cant just go in and get the correct placard (and all of the truck stops within 60 miles have just the exact same generic class 8 placard that these UN #'s are taped over)
     
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  10. Jul 24, 2012 #8
    Kittyfoot

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    That's a flip-out placard. Under all that tape should be a series of metal tags for the UN number. Hardly feasable that all 4 placards have the number tags broken out. Somebody's lazy and/or don't know what they're doing. Tape ain't gonna stick to that worth a dang so yeah, you could easily get nailed for at least a lecture.

    Dumb part is that this "artist" spent more time doing this than if it was done properly.
     
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  11. Jul 24, 2012 #9
    CenutryClass

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    those flip placards dont usually come with the UN numbers, just the generic hazard class. But i could be mistaken.
     
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  12. Jul 24, 2012 #10
    Giggles the Original

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    no its not legal....you cant take a placard and put another one on top of it with portions of the bottom showing.,....the emergency response team needs to ACCURATLEY know what they are responding to....
     
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