Italian boxer quits Olympic bout after just 46 seconds against athlete who failed

When a child is born, how does the doctor determine whether to tell the mother that it's a boy or a girl? The doctors aren't doing DNA tests or analyzing the amount of testosterone to make the decision. People are assuming that these people are born male and transitioning at some point so that they can fight women. Neither of the boxers who are involved in controversy have ever identified as anything other than female, which I'm confident would've been an issue if they popped out of the womb with a different genitalia. Is it fair to these people if they were born with a ######, raised as a female, to be treated as if they're scum of the earth?

 

What’s Going On With the Two Women Boxers Who “Failed” a Gender Test

I don't have a solution to the issue, since no matter what criteria to use, someone is always going to be unhappy. If we let people pick and choose their sex, there will be unfairness. If we decide to classify people by hormones, there would still be a mixing of the sexes and unfairness. If we decide to classify people by their birth sex or by genitalia type when born, people will still be unhappy (like what's going on here).

A lot of the opinions expressed here might be somewhat valid if it were a topic about Lia Thomas or an athlete who transitioned. But I would also expect the same standard to be applied to Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Jon Jones, Ryan Garcia, or anybody else who has failed a test for PEDs to get an unnatural advantage over other athletes.

 

It’s not like that article is unbiased, itself, as it’s clearly written with a slant.

Hormone therapy is very common, in athletics. It’s exactly why USADA is involved in so many sports, at the highest level. They track athlete profiles, for years. They have to, since blood doping is real. An athlete must inform USADA of their whereabouts , at all times. Failure to do that can result in disqualification and/or penalties. Unfortunately, not every sport has the same requirement.

Your last paragraph is 100% valid. Unfortunately, pro ball sports “police themselves”, as the leagues clearly know what’s going on. But, they can’t have their billion dollar industry put at risk. Imagine if the same thing happened in ball sports that happened in pro cycling. That glass house would shatter.

This doesn’t happen without testosterone. Imagine being a clean, female athlete trying to compete with this. It’s the same for the boxers.

 

People can have anti trans views until they're blue in the face, but that's not accurate for what the topic is. If somebody was born a female, how can they transition into a female? That picture is a distraction, it has absolutely nothing in common with the topic. People are talking about taking these girls behind the barn for something they didn't even do. If these girls were born 40+ years ago, they would be branded a Tomboy and nobody would bat an eye. I could understand if people were accusing them of doping, but it's obvious that nobody cares about the actual issue and just wants to rant about whatever they're conditioned to rant about.

 

Perhaps they should come up with a new category......male, female, and whateverthefuk

 

I must’ve missed the anti-trans comment.

 

The best way would be to develop panels on each athlete, as USADA do. If the prospective athlete plans to professionally compete, including for the Olympics, they must have their previous 5yrs on file, including chromosome profile.

 

Everyone is hung up on the idea that this person is a male, to the point of calling them names and for violence against them. That seems pretty steeped in anti trans views to me.

Two boxers under fire over Olympic gender tests. Let's look at facts

Amy Broadhurst, an Irish world champion boxer who has been in the ring with Khelif and beaten her, posted on X that, "Personally I don't think she has done anything to 'cheat'. I thinks (sic) it's the way she was born & that's out of her control. The fact that she has been (beaten) by 9 females before says it all."

She followed: "If this is a man and it becomes 100% fact, I'll be disgusted that I was in the ring and so was many others. A man vs a woman is far from ok. But right now nobody knows what the true facts are."

 

For sure, I never said they were transgender. However, I do question therapies. I have a very good friend who transitioned, whom I easily spotted changes in, and she enlightened me as to how that stuff works. It’s easy to see how it crossing over into sports could benefit athletes.

A lot of world politics going on between those two organizations.

I’ll be curious to see how this all plays out, IF it ever does.

 

Start with Chinatown's second post - he called the athlete a "he".

"according to all public accounts, neither Khelif nor Lin is transgender has not stopped anti-trans journalists and activists from calling the boxers men or biological males and referring to them with the pronouns he and him."

Accusing these two of dopping is entirely fair. Saying Wada and the IOC are terribly flawed with testing and rule enforcement is a massive understatement. USADA is far from being a well run organization either - random tests are anything but random, sample handling is haphazard, and interpretations of the data are inconsistent.

Making this a rallying cry of "ban transgenders" is wrong because transgender has nothing to do with this situation.

As to how it's going to play out - after the initial spat of media coverage no significant news organization will spend the time or money to follow the case and do in depth reporting on exactly what tests they failed, why the results are significant, and what the various governing bodies are doing. In two years there will be another hubub about something similar and no one will remember this story.