Kevin Rutherfrauds $200000 Signature glider truck has complete engine failure!!!

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Bobby Barkert, Mar 7, 2015.

  1. dannythetrucker

    dannythetrucker Road Train Member

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    yah, but Joe.... All the guy has ever claimed is that he wants to help O/O's save money, and that he is an expert at fuel mileage with a 12.7 Detroit, and that we should not only listen but pay for his instuction, his knowledge and advice. I'm sure on the surface it looks as if he put his signature on this truck. It looks as if he intended for it to be the culmination of 20 years of acquired knowledge. I'm sure it looks as if it was going to be his Mona Lisa, his crowning achievement, showing us all how spending money on his recommended upgrades and technology will pay itself back in folds....

    BUT, err, but.... aww heck, forgot what I was gonna say. I did learn something about saving money as an owner operator though. So kudo's to the man for that.
     
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  3. sliver

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    Its obvious he had to find someone with very little experience to buy into this $200,000 misfit of a truck. Any owner operator who had been in business very long can see theres no way to make the numbers pencil out versus a plain glider or a new truck and doing mods as you went. Even a company driver with some serious experience could see numbers dont add up versus a new glider from fitz and adding the mods as time goes on.

    And if kr was so sure the truck would perform the way it was supposed to why didnt he put up the $200,000 and put the truck to work with his beloved fedex or anywhere for that matter?
     
  4. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    Those pre-EGR motors were, for the most part, reliable as anvils. If I had what was, for all intents, a brand new truck, and had all these problems in less than a year, I'd be more than a touch upset. And the fact the trucks mileage was bouncing all over the chart should tell you that something wasn't quite right from get go.

    And I don't know if you could get that much scale running pure water. Something happened chemically in the coolant to cause that, and once that amount of scale formed, that motor was never going to be right. Scale destroys cooling efficiency, and at that level of scale, those liners never stood a chance.

    And it just dawned on me... ya'll should read the Ecotaz thread. Ol' Bruce's response to this is so like Ben's it's not funny. All the glory, none of the blame. Must be a snake oil side effect.
     
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  5. tommymonza

    tommymonza Road Train Member

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    What made the truck soo much heavier ? Al the micro Blue ?

    it should have been lighter with a lift axle with no divider and pumpkin.

    An extra 60 thousand for some micro Blue and a disassemble =reassemble was money just wasted.

    Now if you could do it before the parts were assembled it might benefit but I am not sold on it for the cost.
     
  6. dannythetrucker

    dannythetrucker Road Train Member

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    One more thing. I do have an improvement for this truck I guarantee will save them 0.3 mpg or more. It's a very special set of tires with mileage improving tread depth. I am willing to sell this fuel saving technology for only $8,000 and I will even take the tires they have off their hands. This technology will yield higher mpg improvements than $60,000 spent with KR or PP. and I will guarantee it. Not only that, but I am willing to make this available to everyone. 0.5mpg improvements will be common ! And these bald, err, "special" tires are an easy investment on 4 installments of $2,000. step right up folks, step right up and start saving today.
     
  7. tommymonza

    tommymonza Road Train Member

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    I agree with you hammer on the scale I have seen it on saltwater cooled marine engines . The scale will insulate the coolant fron making contact with the block and affect the cooling that is a fact.

    I think the real problem is these guys were told to climb at 1250 or were ever it was getting good mileage. You overheat a motor that is brand new and tight combined with Lugging it and is permanently damaged.

    Now if you overheat a older motor just going down the road that is a whole nother ball game and the engine will not sustain such damage is my belief.
     
  8. Edgar2191

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    How can the truck wight 23k what was on wow. I had a double frame mack it was lighter then this
     
  9. tommymonza

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    The thing is with these turned up motors PP is building is even if it runs right you are still sacrificing some longevity for that extra torque or horsepower.

    The only way you would not be affecting the longevity is a ported and polished exhaust and low restriction exhaust.
    Maybe a little porting and polishing of the heads and adding a higher lift camshaft ,.but than you are going to have to start turning up the pump to realize the gains made from that

    There is only soo much efficiency you can get out of a motor if the displacement and RPMs are to remain the same. The only way to gain anymore power or torque over stock is to advance the fuel and pump more air into the motor with a bigger turbo with higher boost pressures.

    This is going to create much more heat as the motor will be on the verge of pre detonation.

    Only way to make more horsepower safely is bigger Cubes or unsafely is spin it faster

    You look at all the diesels that are in boats that started out as road motors and they have all been turned up to make the power to weight ratio look good. The service life takes a severe hit because of it.

    Detroit built a good motor that lives over a million miles . pretty hard to top that. Micro Blue and balancing the motor is a very little gains at this point also.

    Kevin was rambling on about balancing and bluprinting a Detroit the other day and he does not have a clue that it simply is a waste of time to balance the rotating assembly down to the last Gram as these motors are not spinning fast enough to notice the difference.

    I think Detroit got it right ,why mess with trying to EEK out that last 5 percent of efficiency out of the motor.
     
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  10. Epmtrucks

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    Everyone acts as if this is the 1st time they have heard of an engine failure. Maybe the critizism is coming from operators that have never built an engine or had one built. Ive spun bearings on a 318, 300 mack and a 8V92, wiped out cam lobes on a7FB 425, broke a crank on a 6NZ 475, pitted the liners on a NTC 400 cause of charged water filters. Built one back with a bad crank throw. Its just part of being an O/O for more than a few years. 35 years of buying trucks. Its going to happen. New 100k or less or old engines a mil or more. Im just interesred why this engine failed, without speculating or placing blame. You will never be winner till you learn to lose. Learn from it, its a good opportunity to.
     
  11. Hammer166

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    You have a valid point that engines can let go a low miles, it happens. Not as much as it used to, with today's better manufactuing tolerances, but sometimes you just get a bad part that slips through. 'Part' being the key phrase. Most of the liners dropped into the block is a systemic failure that should never happen, especially on an engine that was torn down and supposedly reassembled to better than factory condition. Somebody screwed this up big time.
     
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