Kevin Rutherfrauds $200000 Signature glider truck has complete engine failure!!!

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Bobby Barkert, Mar 7, 2015.

  1. double yellow

    double yellow Road Train Member

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    Agreed. Even if PP never touched the liners, you verify everything when building an engine -- especially when sold as "blueprinted."

    Normally I'd agree, but it appears that they grew tired with PP's work (something I'm sympathetic towards -- having gone through 3 shops this year and having a 4th that is acceptable only in comparison...

    I'd be pissed if I were them. I averaged just shy of 8.1 for 2014 with a $15,000 truck + $3300 super singles and an old offtracking trailer (I'm getting well over 8.5 with the new trailer). And we both averaged 60k ish average weight (including deadhead)

    No fleet air filter
    no pp muffler
    no pp manifold
    no pp turbo
    no pp crank damper
    no FASS
    no lift axle
    no microblew
    no tractor skirts
    exposed grab handles


    They were getting solid 9's in July so there is potential in their setup, but things obviously went bad along the way.

    Bruce touched it...

    Aside from the list above, they tore down engine, tranny, gears, & hubs to microblew it -- basically paying the rebuild labor twice. They also spec'd a 23,000lb drive axle with 17,000lb hubs. It is an 86" studio with an APU & customized interior...
    Cowpie's t660 glider has a 12.7
     
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  3. Cat sdp

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    I blame those bad super singles for all of it....!
     
  4. KW Cajun

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    tommy,
    I don't think you fully understand how the process of liner fitting/installation is done. Nor the fact that no matter how much heat, it cannot "sink" a liner into it's machined counter-bore (in block) in the 'manner' you assume. The top of the liner (cylinder sleeve) has a machined boss (ring) that sits in the machined counter-bore in the top of the block. So in other words, once it's seated (bottomed out) when installed, the protrusion spec range is from .0005" to .003" ABOVE the block's deck surface. So for the liner to sink (as you assume) would be like trying to 'sink' a 1/4" tall ring... into an 1/8" deep recess. It just won't happen. It will still be sticking up.

    If I spent $200k on any truck, I can assure you that if I installed those liners, every single one would be set at exactly .002" (measured in at least 3 equal locations around each diameter) or else I, myself would not be happy. Not saying any owner has to strive for or expect that close of final tolerance, but I've built engines and I wouldn't settle for less, for my own work.

    They did basically build the engine from the ground up. From what I've read, the liners are not 'stock', they are oversize which required specific counter-bore machine work, they cannot be microblued while installed, so effectively... everything was built (assembled) from the ground up. I surely assume the crank was out as well.
     
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  5. tommymonza

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    i totally understand the very basic fitting of a cylinder liner. The only thing I have ever heard for what causes cylinder liner protrusion to be affected is by excessive heat causing the liner to sink into the block. That is all I was saying.

    Bruce claimed that the Protrusions were not accurately measured at the shop that tore down the motor being they did not have a 12 inch bar to hold the cylinder liner height gauge.

    Now if the liners are actually below the height of the block you would not evn need a gauge to feel that, your fingernail would do the job.
     
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  6. tommymonza

    tommymonza Road Train Member

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    What were the new oversize liners. A bigger Bore ? Or a thicker casting ?
     
  7. not4hire

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    I have an overwhelming desire to type "nattering nabobs" ......... whoo, I feel better!
     
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  9. fortycalglock

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    It's not a one of a kind harness. Fitzgeralds sells T660's with Detroits AND the T600 came with a Detroit.
    Here's the harness you can buy off the shelf.
    http://www.kustomharness.com/kenworth-glider-harness.html
     
  10. Bean Jr.

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    No, Fitz has T660s with Detroits. Bruce mentioned that Kenworth finally made gliders available wired for Detroits. Remember, until Freightliner bought Detroit, they were available in every brand
     
  11. ironpony

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    From what I recall, they didn't use Fitzgerald's h
    harness.
     
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