Lease operator needs honest feedback

Discussion in 'Canadian Truckers Forum' started by 1doubledouble1, Nov 10, 2016.

  1. 1doubledouble1

    1doubledouble1 Bobtail Member

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    Hello all... enjoyed reading the posts here and thought I would join.

    I have been a lease operator to a carrier now for 1 year and by lease operator I mean I had purchased a second hand truck from a local dealer and got a bid with a carrier offering a dedicated lane.

    I have already paid the carrier the hold back and my operating expenses have been diesel, maintenance and workplace insurance. The truck has been running well with very little downtime (which did cost me big time). I am here to admit that I am not making good money and by good money I mean after I pay my $1,400 monthly truck payment and operating expenses I am making a little more than a company driver makes but when I look at my bank account there is less money in the account and more charges (due) on my business credit card (which includes paying down my truck deposit, new tires and maintenance).

    What is wrong with this picture? Anyone else here leased to a carrier? Would it make any sense to buy a second truck and hire a driver to cover operating costs and try and turn a reasonable profit from my truck? Or will I go broke fast?
     
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  3. Scooter Jones

    Scooter Jones Road Train Member

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    How would it make sense?

    You stated that after expenses under your current lease op situation, you're only making company driver wages. Sounds like you're barely making it.

    So, if you got another truck and incurred all the same expenses plus worker's compensation, matching social security, unemployment insurance, etc, how is that going to increase your profit on your truck?
     
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  4. Scooter Jones

    Scooter Jones Road Train Member

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    In addition, if you are only making company driver wages and are going into the hole by paying for maintenance related items with a credit card, you are only 1 major event from going under.

    I suggest you revisit your current lease agreement and either negotiate a better rate or look somewhere else.
     
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  5. MidWest_MacDaddy

    MidWest_MacDaddy Road Train Member

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    Double your Risk and adds nothing to the Reward.

    You are making Company Driver wages in this deal and yet want to buy another truck and hire another driver and pay him Company Driver wages ....

    So, two drivers working for Company Drivers wages with two trucks barely covering costs, with a Credit Card too, without any major repairs on an older used truck...

    Let's do the math together.... 2 x 0 = ????
    Then add the cost of a major expense.

    Time to sell the truck and become a Company Driver.... still bet the same with much less Risk.
     
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  6. 1doubledouble1

    1doubledouble1 Bobtail Member

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    Yes okay... so my thoughts were if I make one third of the gross with a second truck and driver perhaps that one third can be banked to cover maintenance for 2 trucks and of course cover the truck payment for the second truck which leaves me only having to pay my truck payments and bank the rest as profits.

    The reason I am charging on the card is because of the points (airmiles) which I should be paying in full every month but obviously need to keep cash available in my business account incase of any unforeseen expenses.

    So should I look to lease with another carrier? Or did I make a mistake purchasing a second hand truck which is costing me money? I was advised not to purchase a new truck unless I planned to be on the road for days and operating under my own authority.
     
  7. Scooter Jones

    Scooter Jones Road Train Member

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    You need to sit down and list ALL your monthly expenses.

    First list includes fixed monthly expenses whether the truck is running down the road or not.

    Second list includes all variable operation expenses. I would include .15 per mile set aside for every mile run.

    Third list includes your personal income draw plus 30% for taxes and something for health ins and retirement.

    Add those 3 together and that will give you a pretty good idea what your operational costs are per mile. Add 10% profit margin on top of that and add it to your operational costs.

    What does that equal? Compare it to what you're receiving per mile on average from the company you're leased on to.

    Is there anything left based on the average miles you're running?

    If not, you'll be broke before you know it.
     
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  8. MidWest_MacDaddy

    MidWest_MacDaddy Road Train Member

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    So you are using a Credit Card to fund your "Cash on Hand"??? I would pay off the Credit Card and use it for "unforeseen expenses".... too easy to just let that CC Balance get out of control.... just my thought.

    Trucks cost money.... period.

    If you get a new truck, your repair expenses are expected to be lower but your monthly payment is a locked in expense much higher than a payment on a used truck.

    If you get a used truck, your monthly payment is much less but your repair costs "may" be higher... so far it sounds like this used truck hasn't cost you anything but tires... unless I misread something.


    No one here can answer that for you except to say "maybe".... you have data with this company and data on what it costs you to run your truck.... if you want to shop your truck around that's up to you. Never hurts to be at least aware of what the marketplace is paying for your product.

    But no one here has your real historical data to help you with what to do with your truck.
     
  9. 1doubledouble1

    1doubledouble1 Bobtail Member

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    I really appreciate your feedback guys. Thanks!

    I have crunched all the numbers front to back and still do not see how being leased to a carrier is going to make me wealthy. Yes the carrier pays plates, insurance and offers discounts on tires (which I did take advantage of)...

    My daily gross income ranges from approximately $875 to $950 depending on if running loaded both ways or one way and my average daily diesel costs is $400. Anyone in the industry can run the numbers and see what the profit margins are. My monthly truck payment is $1,400 and I put aside $100 daily towards maintenance and health insurance.
     
  10. Condi

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    Days when you can make money being leased to a carrier are long gone. I advise you sell your truck and work as a driver. Same money but no headache
     
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