Lease purchase how bout this one

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by johnn5272000, Mar 22, 2009.

  1. johnn5272000

    johnn5272000 Light Load Member

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    Ok tell me if this would make you consider a lease purchase assuming good economy and all things outside of the actual lease being ok. Straight up lease, has to stay leased to the company for the first half of the lease. (94 cents a mile (All miles) plus fuel surcharge (loaded miles). Warranty 1st half of lease, at the half way point of the lease, title is transferred to owner. At that point it has a lien just as if mercedes or anyone else financed. Truck type varies but nothing that is going to put a driver in a position where there is no way he can make money. Payments kept under 400.00 a week. I do extend the time if someone wants a newer truck. so far longest term is 39 months (on a 1 year old volvo) but usually 2-3 years. To this point I have not had anyone leave due to lack of revenue. Just a note I am not recruiting I am not even hiring but would like to get feedback if you experienced guys think this is fair. If not, other than the obvious "get the freight from where your buying" mantra let me know. Thanks for your help and hang in there.
     
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  3. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    94 cents a mile is way too low .
     
  4. ampm wayne

    ampm wayne Heavy Load Member

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    What kind of freight are you hauling? Do you have lots of it? Keeping busy is what it takes.
     
  5. im6under

    im6under Heavy Load Member

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    gless:

    $1.25 loaded
    $1.00 mt
    plus fuel surcharge pegged at 1.30
    load and unload fees for every stop plus detention if over 2 hours.

    running these numbers I still don't see a truck making any real money because now I have to pay all my insurance, all my taxes... lose vacation pay ect... and be responsible for an engine blammo plus the down time that takes.

    my 1.125 per all miles
    your 94 - per all miles

    is 18 1/2 cents less... and I don't think I can come out ahead with gless... why would I or anyone do it for you for 94 ???

    if you have some serious numbers to post that show how 94 will pay a rig, maint, taxes, and the driver is bringing home enough to cover his wages, taxes, and health care I'd sure like to see it.

    I guess some guys want their own truck bad enough they will do anything, even cut their own throats to feel like an owner operator...

    me I want more money to cover the additional expenses I'd incur plus something extra for the responsibility.

    and please don't say I'm building equity in my company with every payment...

    worn out trucks are real cheap.... and as I stand now... my 401k just keeps getting bigger and bigger... and I've got 100% equity in that right now...
     
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  6. searay

    searay Light Load Member

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    Sounds like a great start, 94c is better than most. You can build up from there.
     
  7. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    Who pays less than $.94 ? im6undertold it like it was . Nothing under $1.40 a mile plus FSC is worth getting into .
     
  8. Les2

    Les2 Road Train Member

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    JB, Schneider, and alot of container yanker companies pay less than $.94, not counting surcharge. MCT is another one that only pays .87 cpm.

    If you have just the tractor invested, $.94 is one of the better ones if they are paying practical miles.

    Don't get me wrong I agree with you RickG but you did ask...LOL
     
  9. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    I know that's all container yankers get but they're not making $400 a week truck payments either . I think the FSC is only about $.13 a mile now . Most trucks are lucky to get 2,000 miles a week . Earn about $2,000 and half of that goes to the truck payment and fuel . By the time you pay insurance you're making less than you would as a company driver and you haven't thought about replacing tires , brakes , oil changes , and all those repairs that come up .
     
  10. coastie

    coastie Road Train Member

    Many companies pays less, I am getting less, but I am making good money.

    Yes

    This is true if your having to pay for everything. But most Companies covers alot of the expenses. So Yes 0.94 would be good.

    If he had to pay for all the permits, Cargo insurance and fuel tax, or the driver fully independent yes it would be. But when the Company covers that it not to low.
     
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  11. Cowpie1

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    But with a good fuel surcharge, it may not be that bad. Depends on the net at the end of it all. What is being covered by the carrier that you would have to shell out for yourself? What about parts, tires, and fuel discounts? What about all the backroom office crap that you would have to do that the carrier is taking care of?

    yeah, $1.40 or more a mile sounds nice, but it all depends on what you get to keep. I get between $.93 and $1.08 depending on length of haul. My fuel surcharge is based on 5.5 mpg, $1.25 a gallon base, adjusted weekly. I get pretty substantial discounts on fuel as well.. usually .10 to .18 a gallon. The paid miles are realistic... my out of route average is around 2-3%. I get pretty substantial extras for stop offs and such. I don't have to file or pay for fuel taxes and ad valorem taxes. My plates/permits are paid for (I do shell out $11 a month to have a prepass, but I save more than that in fuel by not stopping at every scale). And the meanwhile, I am home weekly and usually by the house a couple of times a week while still averaging 35,000 miles a quarter, have a 40 acre spread with a nice ranch house in rural Iowa, have an '06 truck nearly paid for, got a good Blue Cross/Blue Shield HSA medical plan for me and the wife (not thru the company), and on the local bowling league.

    It's all in the numbers and how the net looks at the end of it all. I am not impressed with gross revenues.... just what the net is at the end of it all. It's a business and you got to be a real bean counting nerd. There is no more "freedom" by doing it all yourself if the net is lousy. The only "freedom" in owning a truck is the freedom to fail.
     
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