Leasing at Prime

Discussion in 'Prime' started by ironpony, Jun 25, 2012.

  1. ironpony

    ironpony Road Train Member

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    Company driver-specific questions are difficult for me to answer at this point. Things change, and they aren't asking my permission before management goes and changes stuff for the guys! :biggrin_2559:

    The DD15-series and the new ISX engines are the first engines designed from the ground-up to meet the new emission requirements. The old ISX, CAT Acert, and DD60's were bandaged together to attempt to meet the new requirements while the engineering teams did what should have been done in the first place - designed new equipment. In my experience as an engineer, any time you tried to adapt something on the cheap and quick it ended up with limitations and problems. I had good luck with an 04-EGR DD60... it really didn't have too many problems except for a lot of black smoke when upshifting on a hard pull. I'm told that was most likely due to part of the servo-loop controlling the variable pitch blades in the turbo. It's a real toss-up with those engines... some of them work, but many develop problems that defy all attempts to fix - leaving the owner with a machine that gets unacceptable fuel economy.

    Now I'm told that the new engines can have these problems as well, but the DD-15 I'm running seems solid at this point. I get a solid 7.8 mpg out of it, and if I really work at it (and have a schedule that allows me to slow down enough) I can get as much as 8.3 mpg with a 40,000+ lb load. If I drive it the way many do... cruise control, no attempt to work the hills, at 65 mph and 40,000+ lbs - I'll get in the low 6's. I have to do that sometimes to meet schedules. When my FM publishes the "Top 10" for fuel mileage for a week, invariably the folks with an engine that requires DEF are in the 8-mpg range. I can't speak as to the reliability, but I do note that Silenteagle has recently spent some time getting his DEF system repaired. If it craps out on you, I do know that the engine derates - and you get to crawl into the nearest repair shop. I had some problems with a servo-valve in the DPF loop when I first had the truck. I got two of them replaced under warranty - no problems since. So these kind of issues are not uncommon - you just have to deal with it. Fortunately (at least to my observation) the manufacturers shop techs are getting better at diagnosing and fixing these problems.

    Wide-singles. I did see a good 0.5 mpg boost in my mileage on my last Century (equipped with duals) when they gave me some fuel-efficient drive tires. Now that's the whole point here... lowering the rolling resistance of the tire. The lowest rolling resistance drive tires available are the X-One XDA Energy wide singles that I have on my tractor. I noted above that I can squeeze 8.3 mpg out of this truck when I work at it - the same techniques that got me around 7.3 to 7.5 in that Century. So yeah, the wide singles do help in my opinion. With the price of fuel above $4 per gallon again, my instinct would be to trash whatever cheap tire one has on their tractor, and go spend the cash on the best drive tire you can find. The fuel savings dwarfs the cost of the tires at these fuel prices. On another note, I've never had any problems with these tires in bad weather. The few times I had to work at getting unstuck in a parking lot, were in exactly the same places I had problems with duals.
     
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  3. silenteagle

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    Yes, a few days ago my DEF injector became clogged and almost shut me down. At first the check engine light came on with the code for the DEF injector. After I stopped at TA Cheyenne with the intention to push to SLC, the little yellow DEF light on the fuel gauge started blinking. That is the yellow/red light of Derate that will slow you down alot (the EPA requires this, although the truck could run normal in this condition) I was told to go directly to the frightliner dealer and park. Got repowered and repaired within 12 hours. (stopped in at 0200, shop opened at 0700, truck in the shop at 1030 and out at 1230) and was covered by the warranty.

    Back in September, the Detroit Diesel guy showed up at the Sprimo yard looking for trucks to software update. He told me that the DEF system was programmed wrong and was injecting during the regen period that was clogging up the DEF injector. The software update was supposed to fix this, but with 90k miles already, I was doomed to have this happen. Now that the software update is installed, my DEF injector should be working properly.

    WARNING WARNING WARNING - many people have been losing their DEF pumps. The DEF pumps are air operated and can be destroyed by moisture in the compressed air. YOU MUST MUST MUST drain your air tanks daily. Failure to do so WILL destroy your DEF pump, and the warranty could be voided for that part if you fail to drain your air tanks daily.
     
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  4. ironpony

    ironpony Road Train Member

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    It's a good idea to purge your air tanks daily in any case... keeps you from having frozen brake lines when it gets really cold!
     
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    You go thru this for 800 per week, why as a company driver I make far more than 800 per week and I'm home every night. My average week is in the neighborhood of 1100 per week.
     
  6. ironpony

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    Thanks for your input. This is a positive thread on leasing, and if you'd care to debate the negative aspects of leasing, there are plenty of other threads to do this on. If you'd actually read this thread - and the post you reference, you'd see that the $800 average was a number of years ago as a company employee. Our wage scale for the company guys has increased substantially since then, thus why I suggested the respondent obtain information from a more recent source. And no, I don't do this for $800 a week.
     
  7. Lyle

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    What is a good suggestion for purchasing fuel. Fill up and put in per trip whats needed. Also what is a ballpark of the % paid to the truck. Meaning how much is avg if there is such a thing does prime charge to move frieght inwhich the driver gets 72% of.
     
  8. Chucktaylor

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    While company pay has gone up .02/mile have you seen rate increases or are you still averaging "$1100 per week cash flow" leasing? (you stated this in your first post)

    I get the whole point of paying yourself a salary from that $1100 and leaving the remainder for the company to operate on lean times or hopefully to grow. (I saw you mention that you were buying a truck, or had a down payment... so growing in your case)

    I have a couple questions, that maybe you covered and I missed them. Im bearing in mind you said average, so it could be higher or lower per week and maybe the entire average has changed depending on how business has been for you.

    Is that $1100 average after taxes?

    Are there any employee (you) benefits for yourself before getting that $1100 average? Like health insurance, dental, retirement etc or is that post "cash flow?"

    Politics aside, assuming Obamacare is here to stay, what does that mean for your business and if you dont have coverage? do you know how much or what to get? Has Prime or your accountant said anything? I say accountant because I understand its the IRS that will be enforcing the mandate.

    Please dont take this as being critical. Im considering Leasing, but right now Im taking home on average about a $1k a week as a Prime company driver after subtracting the top tiered health insurance (there are two plans), dental, vison, life and me putting in 10 percent into a matching 401k.

    I find it hard to make a leap if I have to give that all up for what seems like more headaches, and uncertainty. For a little more freedom in a questionable economy.

    Home time is a ridiculous reason to make the leap. 4 days off is fine, I wish it was more. Yes, Im not being payed. On the other hand, a lease operator has it worse. They aren't generating revenue and those weekly fixed cost charges arent going anywhere. So every day at home is roughly costing the lease guy his fixed costs divided by 7. Ive been lurking for a while and I see that you dont go home much.
     
  9. Danfromwindsor

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    I cant speak for Prime L/O's but when I have to buy health insurance its going to hurt. Of course there is suppose to be a tax break for those within a certain income level so Im not sure how that will affect me. As for hometime,I personally take my hometime on weekends and when I come to Prime I intend the same. Every other weekend at home is still better on your bottom line imho than takin four days at one time because you dont have that week where you havent been on the road for the majority of the week (which puts a big dent in your settlement). Weekends are typically slower than weekdays as far as freight goes as well,at least on the flat side. Where Im currently leased I take a load home most weekends that delivers monday. Whether that will happen at Prime is hard to say. Ive gotten conflicting answers on that.
     
  10. Chucktaylor

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    Ive been with Prime for 3 years. Good luck on that every other weekend deal. There may be a rare instance of a dedicated route, but it probably aint gonna happen... lease or company.

    Brace yourself for disappointment and it won't be bad of a let down.

    Just because you live in MO doesn't make it easier. You be in line with all the other Flatbed trucks that need loads to get near, thru or to the terminal for any of a million reasons like repairs, students, trainees etc.
     
  11. Danfromwindsor

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    You know I hear that all the time from you lease guys,what I have yet to figure is why you still have the company driver mindset. I dont intend to ask if I can go home,as an independent contractor I will dictate my hometime,not ask. I also will not be in Missouri much longer,hence one of the reasons Im considering a change.
     
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