Legal CDL trailer no IFTA/IRP!

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  1. Xray4

    Xray4 Light Load Member

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    Hello everyone. Been a lurker, time to post. Hopefully it's in the right spot!

    Looking for a healthy discussion here that will help others for time to come.

    Situation: I am an Arizona class A CDL driver, no restrictions.

    I intend to hotshot under my own authority, beginning with non-cdl registration, avoiding IFTA and IRP. I do understand the fact that the higher your ratings in the more your weight generally speaking the better pay. And likely less hassle from law enforcement. I get that and don't really care to get into that discussion in this post. I would like to keep this thread focused on the issue at hand..

    IFTA and IRP are based on registered gross combined weight or gross combined weight at the scale.

    In order to avoid both IFTA and IRP one would have to make sure they scale under 26001 combined, and make sure the register the tractor or truck at a max of 26000.

    I can quote the IFTA and IRP requirements but they are all over this website already and so I think we all know that is correct.

    Now for driver's license requirements, in order to operate a CMV you need to have the appropriate driver's license and endorsements. There are several ways to require class A license, but the one I want to focus on is specifically weight ratings and not necessarily scaled weights or the different types of combinations with 26000 pulling a 10000 pound trailer etc.

    So the license matters not only for what you were hauling in certain occasions like hazmat but also how the combination is rated or scaled weight.

    My impression is a class A CDL holder can drive a truck with a gross vehicle weight rating sticker from the manufacturer showing 11500 lb hooked to a trailer with a manufacturer sticker showing gross vehicle weight rating 25000 lb, load whatever amount they want as long as the combination is below 26001 lb, register the truck at a Max of 26,000 lb and they do not need ifta or IRP.

    The reason I bring this up is because forty-foot flat deck trailers that are commonly used in a non CDL hot shot situation have only two axles and they are singles. These trailers suck. Since I have a class A license I would much rather pull a tandem axle dually oil bath set up.

    What do you think? Prove me wrong! :)
     
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  3. singlescrewshaker

    singlescrewshaker Road Train Member

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    Sounds the same way I understood it to be.
    I'll just leave this empty scale ticket here
    2012 dodge, 40' Loadmax tandem duals..
    7240lbs on deck sound good to ya.?

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  4. 24kHotshot

    24kHotshot Medium Load Member

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    Yup, as long as you have a cdl class A and are registered for 26,000 and scale at or below 26,000 you are legal and don't need ifta or irp even though the GVCWR would be 36,500 lbs, but be sure you will be pulled in to every weigh station you come across.
    I had a wedge trailer with dual 12k tandems and the trailer alone weighed 9,000. My 3500 cab and chassis weighed 10,000 loaded (fuel,straps,tools and personal belongings). That's a lot of truck to haul only 7,000 lbs.
     
  5. Xray4

    Xray4 Light Load Member

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    I've thought about that a bit. I'm hoping that I can make it work, with about 9500-10000 available to haul. Need to get a good curb weight on my 350srw and get the right trailer. Looking at a 40' PJ lowboy dual, but considering going down to a shorter length to allow more weight. Not sure yet.
     
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  6. 24kHotshot

    24kHotshot Medium Load Member

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    Non cdl flatbed haulers with a srw and a single wheel 7k tandem trailer can max out at 10k load according to some non cdl hotshots I watch on you tube.
    You want to add an extra 4 wheels and tires with much heavier axles.
    2 7k axles weigh 500 lbs. 2 12k axles weigh 1100+ lbs.
    You can legally run the combination you want but I don't see you hauling more than 8500 lbs at best is my guess.
     
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  7. Xray4

    Xray4 Light Load Member

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    I too am worried about that. I'm trying hard to stay with the truck I already have ('17 f350srw cc), and find a good trailer to roll with. I've watched a lot of those non CDL hotshot YouTube guys with the 40' single wheel 7k tandem trailers, and they're constantly broke down. Spindles, axles, you name it. Seems like every other week.

    I want to jump in both feet, just avoiding the deep end off the bat with ifta/IRP etc.

    Any of you guys have a good thread you would suggest about a decent non CDL load freight trailer? From looking at various load boards I'm starting to question how necessary it is to have 40 feet of deck space. Seems like you usually run out of weight long before that. Maybe a 32 would be better and would save some weight. and I could actually turn it into my driveway without having to remodel the landscaping! :D
     
  8. singlescrewshaker

    singlescrewshaker Road Train Member

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    https://www.truckpaper.com/listings...0-lowpro-deckover-w-singles-monster-ramps-mdl

    This says it comes in ~6500lbs. Probably a 32' or 34' straight tail with slide in ramps vs. dovetail will weigh about the same with a few more feet of deck.

    If I wanted to run a 26k lbs setup, I'd run something like this, 8k lb oil bath axles with 17.5" rubber. Way more durable IMO..

    Or if you can find one, a used Crossman aluminum trailer. They may have went out of business, but a 40' 25k lb tandem dual tares ~6400lbs. Here's a 30 footer. Stout wagons.. Nice thing about the Crossman is you can grow with it. They are all built the same, so one with 15k axles under it can be rated up to 40k lb, GVWR.

    https://www.truckpaper.com/listings...ts/28189137/2013-crossman-30-tandem-gooseneck
     
  9. Lite bug

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    I have run 2 7k axles since 2008. My first trailer had wheels fall off, axle catch fire, springs and hangers break, just about everything that could happen did. I repaired it and kept going. Those axles need more attention than a tandem oil bath axle. I do not wrench them so I get them to a shop about twice a year now, a have everything gone thru. I don’t go cross country anymore so way less miles.Those axles were not designed to be used as the hotshot guys do. As a trailer to be used everyday more maintenance needs to be done. Unless you can do it yourself it becomes pricey running across country. It cost more if you fail to PM. These guys that run on UTUBE are showing things as they occur sometimes they are loaded and can not preform. Do your homework most of the time lite weight pays the best in the long run. Start looking in your area as soon as you get your numbers, the best loads are not found on the load board. You will introduced to brokers in your area thru the load board and in time they will seek you out. Also read the broker section on here will be enlightening.
     
  10. kwswan

    kwswan Road Train Member

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    Why are you so against getting Ifta & Irp? They are a whole lot easier than some of the other things that are associated with Trucking.
     
  11. Xray4

    Xray4 Light Load Member

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    Wow that's a cool trailer. I've heard to avoid aluminum though because as slick as they are, all trailers need fixing at some point and getting aluminum welded is not as easy or cheap. Maybe though it's worth looking into..
     
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