LiFePo4 battery pack instead of Lead Acid

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  1. DUNE-T

    DUNE-T Road Train Member

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    For some reason it seems like you are getting upset that your idea is not receiving a good feedback.
    When I stop for a 10 hrs break, I usually run a bunk heater, do some work on my computer or use my phone, all while my fridge runs on 3500 watt inverter.
    I am absolutely sure that 95% of drivers do the same kind of thing and regular batteries are just fine for that. There is just no need for deep cycle batteries on a truck, unless you gonna be camping for few days, or have some special equipment like this
    APU and generator alternative that works!
     
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  3. Tb0n3

    Tb0n3 Road Train Member

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    Without running my International LT with EPU it can run the webasto and other items for most of a weekend before it hits low voltage cutoff. That's 8 deep cycle batteries that it comes with. Non-deep cycle batteries, as far as I'm aware, are not designed for the same 50% deep discharge as deep cycle or marine. You likely only get 80% discharge regularly before damage or sulfating which reduces the lifespan significantly.

    I'm just trying to get a response from somebody who uses a battery apu system to gauge if I'm the only one curious about this but the only responses so far have basically been "nobody does what you do" even though one of the more common trucks out there is designed for just that.
     
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  4. Cdemars316

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    I do use a battery apu, I have 2 200ah renogy batteries, I ruled out lithium because of the horrid cold weather performance, they get cut in 1/2 in cold weather, and considering I spend 90% of my time in North Dakota and Minnesota and have a fairly good chance of getting caught in a storm and having to ride it out in my truck for up to a week in sub zero temps I couldn't chance going with them. If I was more serious about using my sleeper and epu all the time silica salt batteries are the way to go, they are as expensive as lithium but last as long and are more reliable in extreme cold temps, the draw back on them is the same as agm, they are heavy and take up more room, but would still work in my situation
     
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  5. The Crossword Trucker

    The Crossword Trucker Road Train Member

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    Replacing an APU is the only reason for putting lithium iron phosphate batteries in a truck and I think its a good one. But this needs to be a well thought out unit with a good mini split .
    I think these are on the way because all the parts already exist , its just a matter of time.
    I have a buddy that has put together such a unit in his homemade camp trailer. I would link his youtube channel but he is such a sensitive person that I would worry about members here trolling him.
    If you want I can send you a PM
     
  6. Tb0n3

    Tb0n3 Road Train Member

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    "LiFePO4 batteries have a higher discharge capacity in low temperatures than SLA. At 0°F, lithium discharges at 70% of its normal rated capacity, while at the same temperature, an SLA will only discharge at 45% capacity."

    You got it backwards. Regardless lead acid is certainly an easier fit since no special considerations need to be made. All of that has been engineered around.
     
  7. Tb0n3

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    I'm kind of surprised that the megas haven't made a point of it, but I think it's more they don't give a #### about their driver's well being enough to provide comfortable loving conditions instead of telling them to get a 0° sleeping bag and don't idle the truck.
     
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  8. The Crossword Trucker

    The Crossword Trucker Road Train Member

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    There are a few things that need improvement before this can be a solid solution
    One is that someone needs to come up with a good DC powered mini split , there is just too much loss and complication converting DC to AC. Ideally this would be a 48 volt unit and the whole system should be set up as 48 volts

    The next is we need a really good DC to DC charger that knows how much power to safely pull from the alternator. Very few people are using alternator power to charge such a massive battery pack ( you will probably need at least 1200 amp hours at 12v) and it needs to spread that load over at least an 8 hour period
     
  9. Tb0n3

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    I believe my truck runs a 325A alternator, and a proper BMS would include the ability to limit charge rate. The only issue I was seeing was the immense current draw for the starter. Seems 1600A is average. You'd need a contractor or something to control that whole bypassing any controls, possibly letting the BMS control it so you don't run a starter on a dead battery.
     
  10. The Crossword Trucker

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    I dont think I would combine both systems. Keep the chassis batteries where they are and the LiFePO4 battery bank under the bunk where they are nice and cozy
     
  11. The Crossword Trucker

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    Oh and you cant just rely on your BMS to manage the input, you definitely need a DC to DC
     
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