light of CSA 2010 rules what should a company do to retain qulified drivers?

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by stevemangram, Aug 30, 2011.

  1. stevemangram

    stevemangram Bobtail Member

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    CSA 2010 rules have forced an evolution of the American driver, we are learng to be more careful about the companies we drive for, and the equipment we operate. I seems that companies are laging or refusing to accept that the rebel outlaw days of trucking are gone. As of late we all have been bombarded with video after video, test after test, simply to make the companies feel as if they are putting forth some kind of effort.

    We as drivers know that it more of th superficial butt covering that has never truly addressed the base line problems of our industry. Management is generally controlled by people who do not understand that, what sounds good in a mangement meeting, rarely translate into the real world.
    This fanciful approach has come to bare on driver retention.

    First we as drivers have to understand that even the most modern company is still operating on a foundation developed in th1800's. When the first real truckers were STAGE COACH Drivers. The hiring process was pretty much the same as it is now,( although with much less paper work) find you a living breathing body, load them up, and send them on their way hoping for the best.

    This is the same process used today, if the driver lasts 6 months before he/she quits, wrecks out or some other catastrophe, companies feel as if they have made a good deal. " Drivers are like bullets in a clip, expend one and another is coming right behind it." Statement over heard while working in Human Resources.

    Now enter the CSA 2010, which in effect limits the number of drivers through qualifications, but also creates a system to give drivers the choice as to weather or not the potential company is qualified, and is a risk to the professional drivers SCORE.

    This bring the driver just short of handing an application to a potential and saying, after I run your information, and if you qualify I'll submit an application.
     
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  3. gravdigr

    gravdigr Road Train Member

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    There is one flaw in your logic, new drivers have no csa score. So most of the big companies just take a new driver, pay him crap for a year, then if they stay good, if they leave the co got their moneys worth. If the driver is a problem find a reason to terminate. Now for companies looking for good experienced drivers, that is a whole nother thing.
     
  4. stevemangram

    stevemangram Bobtail Member

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    Digger, I purposely left out information that led to my conclusion. I you are not the first to make the. "New guy New score argument. The CSA has made that argument mute, and was put in place to cancell out a company's attempt to fudge or stack the deck, by hiring new scores. Its true the scores help raise a company's score, however new driver mistakes now count against the company too. A single driver in a single company your cinerio would work, but the way the CSA is set up 100 new drivers making new driver mistakes. Will lead the company to an intervention. And if there are significant issues found within the comany , the company could lose its DOt authority.
     
  5. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    Since it is accident/ inspection based new or old drivers really mean nothing other than a drivers PSP giving the company an idea of the drivers attention to detail, and rigidity in equipment.


    Yeah CSA will give drivers the opportunity to glimpse the management practices through the SMS, a driver should hire their company not the other way around.


    Further any company wanting to make actual improvements will do whatever it takes to keep drivers without accidents, and with clean inspections while penalizing or discharging those who can not. Same as brokers and shippers are doing to carriers now.


    So yeah I think conditions will improve(and are at my company your payscale is directly tied to inspections) as the paradigm shifts towards drivers running compliant, safe vehicles.
     
  6. gravdigr

    gravdigr Road Train Member

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    True, but when a driver is terminated their score goes with them. But I see your point. I'm hoping after some more time otr my good psp will help me get with a better company. I was an employer and I know the value of good employees.
     
  7. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    The driver has no "score" to take with them. Once an inspection or accident is entered it is there for two years. Hiring in new people will not lower any of the points from those entries only clean inspections and reviews can.

    Now a company can look at a PSP to judge prospective emloyee's but they can have no effect on the companies SMS until hired and inspected/accident.
     
  8. Big Don

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    First off, we are going to have to wait and see what happens here with the enforcement on this. And that is also what the companies are going to be doing. Believe me, they will not change unless forced to.

    It is just like all the environmental stuff that companies had to do. They just went on operating like they always had, and paid their fines, then took the tax "loss" on them as an operating expense. It wasn't until the government started actually putting some of these top people in jail, that they decided to get on board with the program. (Not defending the program here, just providing an example.)

    I fully believe we will see the same thing with the trucking companies. We all know the current scenario of a trucking company being forced out of business. The owners just change the name of the company and start up all over again.

    Until and unless they are shown that they can't get away with it, nothing is really going to change at the company level. Once again, all of the penalty is going to fall on the poor old driver who has screwed up.
     
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  9. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    They had a guy on one of the snooze the trucking newz a couple weeks back talking about changes to application for authority. Make it a more exploratory process of why your applying with some minimum standards like no previous Numbers.

    Yeah I know LLC's and all. Sons daughter, second cousins applying........

    But I agree with Big Don they need to shut a couple of companies down, maybe some jail time for serial offenders and then you'll get their attention.


    I still say CSA is a good start. They just need some real teeth behind it. How much attention do you think those companies would pay if at an 80 percentile mark they had an automatic suspension of authority? Not provisional, or probationary flat suspension until a review(or the new buzz word intervention???? WTF are we treating drug addicts now?) Is conducted.
     
  10. roadkill4512

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    You are correct for small routine stuff like failed roadside inspections, fender benders and traffic violations.

    However"red flag" violation do indeed follow the driver from one company to the next. If a Werner driver gets caught driving with a suspended license both he and Werner get points for this violation. If this driver then goes to Swift and is hired by them, Swift does inherit the driving while suspended points since this is among the red flag offenses.
     
  11. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    I would like a link to that part please. First I have heard of that.
     
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