Load that can't be done legally

https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/safety/coercion

 

Thanks.
We were not discussing coercion as described above we were discussing a pirate truck driver's willingness to drive illegal without any coercion on the part of shippers and receivers?
If a shipper has a load and a trucker grabs it despite not being legal, are you saying that it's the shippers fault? Is a shipper supposed to check your log book before you enter their property? When a driver pulls up to my employers warehouse should I stop that driver at the gate and ask to see his or her log book and make sure he has the nessesary hours? If not can I tell him to leave? In other words, is it the poor warehouse workers job to check your HOS? Have truck drivers really gotten that stupid?

 

You know what? Just for giggles, the next time I see a driver pull up to my facility I'm going to ask him to show me his logs and tell me what his trip plan is. I'm going to look over his logs with a fine tooth comb and then question whether he has the hours of not. I want to see the look in his eyes. I want to hear his comments when a shipper/receiver takes over his HOS responsibility. I'll let you know how it went.

 

Missing the whole issue. No matter what is already on the logs, electronic or paper, there are shippers and brokers who are putting loads out for bid that cannot be done legally. The OP was about a single run that involved a 15 hour window with at least 7.5 hours driving, plus any waiting time at one pick and 2 drops. Even if he woke up in the shippers parking lot from a 34 reset, you can't run from noon to 3 AM.

 

If it can't be done legally then don't take it. How hard is that to understand? Somewhere out there is a team that can take it. You don't have to. The only gun that's being put on your head to do the run is your own desperation and personal situation. You need the money, you need the run. The pressure is on because somewhere out there is a desperate pirate trucker who will take any load no matter what.
You want to put blame on this issue blame your fellow drivers who take loads illegally. I've been there. It's hard to compete against drivers who don't follow the rules.

 

By the way when my company needs a load to be somewhere asap we either load it to our own company truck or we call in the A team, Fedex expedited.

 

I was referring to previous posts (and your own above) about shippers checking drivers' logbooks or HOS available, but thanks for being such a snapper-head in a category called "questions from NEW drivers." I don't take loads like that, but certainly there are guys newer than me who won't know better the first time they get stuck with one.

 

My snappiness was directed to all drivers new and old who tend to blame everyone else for things that they should take responsibility for themselves.

And with that, I'll sign out.

 

Ahem. I was that Pirate.

If you wanted it overnight somewhere half way across the USA in a dollar truck and a knowledge of essentally several states worth of state trooper enforcement practicies such as where to slow down for a radar trap, PA had 4 places on 80 that was common radar traps back in the day. It was nothing to slow to 55 cool the brakes 10 minutes then kick er back up to 120+ until State College and Milesburg. PA can be disposed of in about 3 hours or so instead of 8 or so. Logs in paper form were a fantasy back then.

Not anymore. In my later years Ive swung the other direction trying to be professional about getting from A to B legally. And Ive gotten somewhat hard about it inside. I believe two things. First driving when tired is worst then driving drunk. Don't do it. And the other is no one wants that load of paper right quick. It can wait a few days going across the USA after all all sorts of stores are filled to the walls with mountains of the paper for sale. What's the rush.

11 hours take your time off. be happy you did your 11 hours driving very well. Rest easy, take in a good meal and a movie or something. Be ready to go when the logs say your bunk time is up.

 

§390.3T General applicability.
(a)(1) The rules in this subchapter are applicable to all employers, employees, and commercial motor vehicles that transport property or passengers in interstate commerce.

(2) The rules in 49 CFR 386.12(e) and 390.6 prohibiting the coercion of drivers of commercial motor vehicles operating in interstate commerce:

(i) To violate certain safety regulations are applicable to all motor carriers, shippers, receivers, and transportation intermediaries; and

(ii) To violate certain commercial regulations are applicable to all operators of commercial motor vehicles.

§390.6 Coercion prohibited.
(a) Prohibition. (1) A motor carrier, shipper, receiver, or transportation intermediary, including their respective agents, officers, or representatives, may not coerce a driver of a commercial motor vehicle to operate such vehicle in violation of 49 CFR parts 171-173, 177-180, 380-383 or 390-399, or §§385.415 or 385.421;

(2) A motor carrier or its agents, officers, or representatives, may not coerce a driver of a commercial motor vehicle to operate such vehicle in violation of 49 CFR parts 356, 360, or 365-379.

(b) Complaint process. (1) A driver who believes he or she was coerced to violate a regulation described in paragraph (a)(1) or (2) of this section may file a written complaint under §386.12(c) of this subchapter.

(2) A complaint under paragraph (b)(1) of this section shall describe the action that the driver claims constitutes coercion and identify the regulation the driver was coerced to violate.

(3) A complaint under paragraph (b)(1) of this section may include any supporting evidence that will assist the Division Administrator in determining the merits of the complaint.

§390.11 Motor carrier to require observance of driver regulations.
Whenever in part 325 of subchapter A or in this subchapter a duty is prescribed for a driver or a prohibition is imposed upon the driver, it shall be the duty of the motor carrier to require observance of such duty or prohibition. If the motor carrier is a driver, the driver shall likewise be bound.


§390.13 Aiding or abetting violations.
No person shall aid, abet, encourage, or require a motor carrier or its employees to violate the rules of this chapter.

All in the front of the chapters concerning drivers.

You got that exactly backwards, I as a driver shouldn't have to baby sit them! To make this clear, they have a responsibility to arrange pick-up and delivery times that are with-in the scope of the HOS and any other regulations. That is their job, not the OPs or any other company driver. They need to take responsibility for their job.