local hours of service..?? confused

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  1. soon2betrucking

    soon2betrucking Road Train Member

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    im a bit confused about the local hos.
    a friend of mine works for the electric company. and they requie him to have a class A, they paid for.. he stays in the same state, and he works 15hours/day, he called me to ask me what the ruels are for local drivers, and im just not sure how that works since im OTR, and dont plan on local anytime soon.
    they never got on thier drivers about logging their hos but the past few months they have been hamering down on drivers complying with fmcsa rules and keeps logs.
    i THINK what i found was that local can still only drive 14 hours, and stop at the 14th hour, but allow a local to extend ONE day to 16 hours, but only one day in the 70hr period...so if thats the case, how can his company have him work 15 hours/day 5 days/week including overtime most days.. but fmcsa only allow 1 16 hour/day in the 70...
    he works for a the big electric company in the phila area...
    he drives a boom truck, if thats anything to help...
     
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    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Ask the DOT in PA is what I would suggest. maybe one of the members involved in enforcement could give their opinion. I'm not sure, it's been years since I've worked that local.
     
  4. jtrnr1951

    jtrnr1951 Road Train Member

    Its in your handbook, the one required by regulations that you carry in your truck !!!!!!!!!!!! Just look up HOS.
     
  5. soon2betrucking

    soon2betrucking Road Train Member

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    required to keep in the truck.... ye..ah... i forgot to look in that book.
     
  6. Allow Me.

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    If he's driving a boom truck, he's actually not driving his whole shift, right? He drives to a job site, then does electrical/power line work for a couple hours, then drives 30 minutes to another site etc. So, in a 15 hour day, he only "drives" 4-5 hours maybe. Something like a mover. Drives 45 minutes to the residence, loads furniture for 4 hours, then drives 45 minutes to the new house, unloads for 3 hours, then drives to wherever.
     
  7. soon2betrucking

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    yeah, thats pretty much how it goes, he said he drives less the 4 hours a day, but how does he log his 15 hour day tho, if 14 hours is 14, how about the 15th hour if ur only allowed the 16 hour only 1 time?
     
  8. Allow Me.

    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Doesn't the Electric company have a safety guy/dept that deals with this stuff? I agree with you, he can't drive unless he has 10 hours off which he doesn't working 15 hours a day. But I was wondering what his job description is. Is he a lineman that also drives a truck in his duties, or is he a driver that also works on the lines? You know when you file your taxes every year, it says what is your occupation. I'm questioning this because a mechanic that test drives a repaired truck doesn't keep a log book or have any hours restriction to deal with, right? He could conceivably work in the shop legally a double shift, then test drive the last truck/trailer he worked on/repaired for 10 miles on the interstate to make sure the repair worked, but , not be really legal to drive. If a repo guy repossesses a class 8 and drives it 100 miles to the storage yard, does he need a log book and available hours to be legal if he normally repos 4 wheelers? A CDL, yes, but a log book? Where is Diesel Bear when you need him?
     
  9. soon2betrucking

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    he is a lineman who drives his boom truck tothe job site daily.. he says he supposed to stop at scales, which are far and between in the philly area, but that have the protable scales they throw up often...
     
  10. Tommy43302

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    He needs to follow the rules about required breaks. He doesn't need to complete a log book if he stays within 100 miles. The log book and break requirements are required no matter what his job description is, if he drives a commercial vehicle that requires a CDL to legally operate. I hope this helps.
     
  11. jakebrake12

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    Here's the deal with the HOS. The short haul exemption means you do not have to fill out a log if you drive in a radius of 100 AIR miles or less unless you exceed 12 hours on your shift - then a log needs to be filled out.

    Here is how the 14/16 hour days work for drivers that begin and end at the same terminal/yard daily. One day per week, you can exceed the 14'th hour while on line 3 (driving) so long as you don't exceed 11 total hours of driving or 16 total hours from the start to the end of the shift. It only applies if your driving. In other words, I could return to my terminal on 13.5 hours and perform 2 more hours of work on line 4 and my 16 hour day is still intact. Being that I only run a 60 hour book I would run out on my 60 first. There is no total amount of hours that your allowed to work - you just cannot drive once your 60/70 has been used. There have been instances lately at Con-way where drivers ran out on their 60 as early as Thursday so all they could do on Friday was work the dock.

    If the power company is governed by HOS, he should be filling out a log daily because he is working more than 12 hours. The drive time would be easy to get around if there are two guys in the truck and shifts are cycled. To make a long story short, he can indeed work 15 hour shifts all week he just cannot drive past the 14'th hour more than once or once his 70 is used.

    We run into this a lot at Con-way. I know the HOS pretty well as it pertains to local driving so if you have any questions I should be able to answer them or I'll find the correct answer.
     
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