So I recently left my old company (challenger) which was all E-LOG and went to a smaller outfit with about 20 trucks. I've been doing local deliveries lately (within 160km of terminal), I probably only drove the truck 100km a day in the last 2 days. I've done paper logs in the past while I was doing OTR in Canada but never did in local. My buddy just told me to leave it on the bottom line (on duty) and no need to switch it back and forth between deliveries and what not. Apparently you don't need to show pre-trip for every single trailer? ( I deal with 5-6 trailers per day ).
The areas that I drive in has no scales. What's the difference in rules for local driver paper logs and long haul paper logs?
Anyone help me out?
Local paper log questions
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You have to show a pre trip for every trailer you take out on the road.
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As a precaution always make sure you make a log book. Don't rely on your company to produce logs on your behalf when you're local.
If you're local within 160KM you just need to show summary information of when your shift started and ended, and when you took your breaks throughout the day, as well as all inspections on equipment you performed, and usually the inspectors will ask for a copy of supporting documents like bills of lading, fuel receipts, and work sheets outlining what moves you did that day and what equipment was involved in those moves.
If you're local and you might possibly be headed out on longer runs you're required to produce the last 14 days as a detailed log showing all duty status. So if you do both local and regional moves it's best to stick with a long-haul format of log books, which is easier to manage with an e-log that auto-updates your duty status. Without a duty status history you can recreate your logs using google location history and your phone's gps.
If there is any dispute over your pay your driver's daily log is what is relied upon for settlement of complaints so don't falsify it.
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Just to clarify, the 160 km is the radius from the driver's home terminal and the area covered therein. Total distance driven is irrelevant.
It is the carrier's responsibility to maintain the driver's records if the driver is operating under the local exemption and is not keeping a daily log.
If you're driving under a federal Safety Fitness Certificate/CVOR.
Requirement to Fill Out a Daily Log
81 (1) A motor carrier shall require every driver to fill out and every driver shall fill out a daily log each day that accounts for all of the driver’s on-duty time and off-duty time for that day.
(2) This section does not apply if
(a) the driver operates or is instructed by the motor carrier to operate a commercial vehicle within a radius of 160 km of the home terminal;
(b) the driver returns to the home terminal each day to begin a minimum of 8 consecutive hours of off-duty time;
(c) the motor carrier maintains accurate and legible records showing, for each day, the driver’s duty status and elected cycle, the hour at which each duty status begins and ends and the total number of hours spent in each status and keeps those records for a minimum period of 6 months after the day on which they were recorded; and
(d) the driver is not driving under a permit issued under these Regulations.
- Commercial Vehicle Drivers Hours of Service Regulations
If you're driving under an Ontario only CVOR.
Exception to daily log requirement
18. (1) A driver is not required to keep a daily log for a day if the driver,
(a) on the operator’s instructions, drives a commercial motor vehicle solely within a radius of 160 kilometres of the location at which the driver starts the day; and
(b) returns at the end of the day to the same location from which he or she started. O. Reg. 555/06, s. 18 (1).
(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a driver who is driving under a permit issued under section 191 of the Act. O. Reg. 555/06, s. 18 (2).
(3) If a driver is not required to keep a daily log for a day pursuant to subsection (1), the operator shall keep a record for the day showing,
(a) the date, the driver’s name and the location at which the driver starts and ends the day;
(b) the cycle that the driver is following;
(c) the hour at which each duty status starts and ends and the total number of hours spent in each duty status; and
(d) the number of hours of on-duty time and the number of hours of off-duty time, within the meaning of this Regulation, that the driver accumulated each day during the 14 days immediately before the start of the day, for which the driver was exempt from this Regulation and not required to keep a daily log. O. Reg. 555/06, s. 18 (3).
(4) For the purpose of clause (3) (c), if the driver is on duty within a municipality such that a number of periods of driving time are interrupted by a number of periods of other on-duty time of less than one hour each, the periods of driving time may be combined and the periods of other on-duty time may be combined. O. Reg. 555/06, s. 18 (4).
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We went through this with our city guys with long peddle runs, as mentioned, you have to show a pre/post trip, and what we do is have them do a change of duty status if they drive longer than 15 minutes to get to next stop, or drive to a different town.
In our meeting with the MIT officer here in Manitoba, he said you will be cited if you show on duty/not driving for the full shift. He said that logging every stop is unnecessary, but when leaving for the next town, or driving from one side of the city to the other, show driving. If our drivers stay on the dock all shift, they log on duty/not driving for the whole shift, and put a note saying on dock all day.x1Heavy and Canadianhauler21 Thank this. -
I do local work in Ontario with the odd trip over 160km thrown in. I run paper logs for everything. On my local days l show a 1/2 hour pre trip and post trip. I show everything else as driving time. I write " local under 160 km" on the right side of the page. I've done it this way for 7 years and been inspected a few times over the years and never had an issue. It makes it a lot simpler to show the mto what you've done the previous 7 days when you do go on a longer trip and run it as a conventional log book.
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Simply put--- If you show mileage you must have driving time.
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