Local shop built glider kit, eld exemption

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  1. starmac

    starmac Road Train Member

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    From what I understand, there is a new law that forbids any person from building their own glider from now on, just established companies that are building multiple units.
     
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  3. manisa

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    I called some dealers. One in MO asked the vin and serial numbers and said there is a prosedure that they need to follow to get those but he wasn't sure what he was doin . Orlando Freightliner told they do not give out those stickers for the last 2 years as a new policy.
     
  4. starmac

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    Did you look at the link on post #9, by law you do no need the stickers, or any proof in the truck itself.
     
  5. Claytonbigsby

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    We had several of our 389s with series 60 relabeled when the eld mandate was coming into effect because we didn’t want to deal with the DOT officers questions.
    We could not get the stickers simply by asking for them so our local international dealership took the info and ordered the replacements from Detroit diesel and the dealership mechanics had to personally apply them to the valve covers.
    Other trucks went directly to our WW Williams shop for the stickers. They read the ecm and took stamping info off the engine to verify info before ordering. It is a good opportunity for you to get a ecm print out when they do this.
    Be aware if you have a genuine Detroit Diesel remanufactured “crate” engine then Detroit issues a new serial number to it during time of remanufacture and it will say in big letters “MFG Date: 09/2015” (or whenever date it was remanned) on its valve cover sticker and in the ecm memory regardless of the original age of crate engine.
     
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  6. Long FLD

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    Are these repowered trucks? Or gliders? If they are true gliders it will be noted in the VIN of the truck. I’m not sure how Freightliner does it but a Paccar glider has GL in the vin. Putting an old engine in a truck doesn’t magically turn it into a glider and if they are repowers of course the place you bought it won’t have any paperwork for them because it’s illegal to repower an emission truck with an old engine.
     
  7. DUNE-T

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    There is a company in Grand Rapids area which builds this. They are not true gliders. They simply take used Cascadias and put old engines in them.
    I don't know how they get away with this, but they do, maybe because DOT officers don't have a clue about emissions.
    Just go to a dealer and get an ECM printout, it will have the engine manufacturer date in there, assuming they changed the serial in there when the engine was swapped.
    The best of course would be to get a new sticker, so the officer can just look at it and get going
     
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  8. Studebaker Hawk

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    I have said this before. The date the engine was remanufactured has no bearing on the ELD exemption.
    The only thing that matters is the EPA model year the engine was built to meet. If it is 1999 or before it is ELD exempt.
    The decal MUST be on the engine by law. It's purpose is to tell dealers and mechanics what parts and specifications to use to keep the engine within the emission standard for that engine. If they ignore that requirement and knowingly or unknowingly repair the engine and cause more emissions than allowed they can get fined. Like $10k or more per occurrence.
    That is why the Detroit Diesel dealer must follow strict procedure in ensuring the decal is placed the engine correctly within specification.
     
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  9. manisa

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    This was helpful. Thanks
     
  10. manisa

    manisa Bobtail Member

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    Thank you. It was helpful.
     
  11. Tx Countryboy

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    The true gliders have a series of G or GL letters in vin. The DOT can & will pull vin to see spec. sheet.
     
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  12. Ruthless

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    I’ve had both my series 60’s inframed by Stewart & Stevenson Detroit. Neither had a sticker on the engine when I got them (separately and 8 years apart), and neither had one put on after they did the rebuild on either.
     
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