log book on a class c licence?

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  1. d5dozer

    d5dozer Bobtail Member

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    hey guys i recently started a part time job driving a dodge ram 450 pulling a trailer. the truck, trailer and load is under 26,000 lbs and is registered as a cmv. I have a class c licence and Im gonna take a load about 600 miles next week and the boss says i need a logbook to do it. is this true? where is a good place to get basic info on log books? if i dont have it filled out right what are the penalties? are they less severe since i dont have a cdl?

    i know im supposed to rest for 10 hour before heading back but depending on the schedule i might not be able to. I hate to ask this, but is it better to log that i had less than 10 hours off or just not to have a log book?
     
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  3. Allow Me.

    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I believe he's right. The question is, is the truck/trailer capable of carrying more than 26k, A commercial registration plays into it also, as well as is bossman carrying freight for payment ?
     
  4. d5dozer

    d5dozer Bobtail Member

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    Im pretty sure the truck and trailer are rated for over 26,000 and it is carrying freight for payment.
     
  5. Ragged Rooster

    Ragged Rooster Light Load Member

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    Better check regs. Here is what I found:

    Who needs to fill out a log?
    The requirements for logging are contained in the hours of service regulations. Any driver who operates a commercial motor vehicle in interstate commerce is subject to the hours of service regulations. A commercial motor vehicle, for this purpose, is defined as a vehicle that:
    has a gross vehicle weight rating, gross combination weight rating, gross vehicle weight, or gross combination weight of 10,001 pounds or more;
    is designed to transport more than 8 passengers (including the driver) for compensation;
    is designed to transport more than 15 passengers (including the driver) and is not used to transport passengers for compensation; or
    is transporting hazardous materials in a quantity requiring the vehicle to be placarded.
    Within the hours of service regulations are logging exemptions for drivers that meet the criteria of either the 100 air-mile radius exemption or the non-CDL short-haul exemption (§ 395.1(e)). For drivers who come under one of these exemptions, a time record may be filled out in lieu of a log.
    Drivers operating in intrastate commerce should check with their state about what the requirements and exemptions are for logging.

    The 10,001 pound deal automatically puts you in a "commercial" vehicle situation, which means you must log unless you are traveling less than a 100 mile radius of your "yard".

    Sounds to me like the "class c" license isn't going to cut it either. Better check with DPS on that one. My take is that if you are running commercial you need a CDL.

    Good luck.
     
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  6. CondoCruiser

    CondoCruiser The Legend

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    Here's the FMSCA link on log books. It's also in the front of a logbook.

    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=395.8

    Class D- Single vehicle with a GVWR of less than 16,001 lbs.

    Class C- Single vehicle with a GVWR of at least 16,001 lbs but less than 26,001 lbs.

    Class B- Single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 lbs

    Class A- Single vehicle with a GCWR of 26,001 or more pounds providing the GVWR of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 lbs

    A CDL is required for Class A and B above. Also any vehicle required to be placarded pulling hazmat.

    Check the GVWR tag on the truck and trailer and see where you sit. Pay close attention to the trailer's GVWR. No CDL, no log.

    If you need a class B, you probably won't be going. If you do get your class B, then you log and have to show the preceding 7 days. Class C vehicle, gas on it.

    One more thing, any commercial vehicle over 10,000 lbs requires a medical card.
     
  7. revelation1911

    revelation1911 Heavy Load Member

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    If the trailer is over 10,000 pounds you have to have a class A
    They get lots of them for that. In. does this scam the trailer will be rate
    9980 and they will get the owner to buy a 12,000 pound plate now you need a class A. I don't think In. has a 10,000 pound trailer tag. just arevenue tool.
     
  8. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    If it is a part time job all compensated hours from your other job have to be shown as on duty hours .
    If there are errors in your log you could be put out of service on the spot for 10 hours .
    If you don't take the 10 hour break violation of HOS is less serious than falsifying a log book .
     
  9. G/MAN

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    Fines for log book violations can be well over $1,000 in some states. You need to check exactly what you need. If you do get caught then you will be fined and if you are supposed to have a CDL and only have the class C, you could be put out of service and have to sit until someone comes to pick up you and your load who does have a class a CDL. Ignorance of the law will not be excused. We live in a time when states are hungry for revenue. I would not expect any of them to cut you any slack. From your post, I believe that you will need a CDL A due to the trailer. At the very least you will likely need a class B license. If you get the B then you may as well go ahead and get the A. With a class A you can drive anything.

    As others have stated, if you drive a commercial vehicle then you need to keep a log book. If you are not familiar with how to keep a log book then you need to have your boss or someone show you how to properly log. You also need to familiarize yourself with the current hours of service regulations. What you don't know can cost you dearly.
     
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  10. RickG

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    The Class C license is appropriate for a Dodge 450 which has a GVWR of 16,500 lbs. The 10,000 !b trailer weight limit applies only to trucks over 26,000 lbs .There are lots of hotshotters out there without CDL's hauling loads well over 10,000 lbs..keeping a log book is reuired on this vehicle . A 10 hour break is not required if the trip doesn't exceed 11 driving hours or over 14 on duty hours.http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/truck/driver/hos/fmcsa-guide-to-hos.pdf
     
  11. G/MAN

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    If you cross state lines you need to have a log book. I was in New Jersey a few years ago when a guy who was driving a small truck with a 12' box received a ticket for not having a log book. He wasn't even 100 miles from his base, but because he crossed state lines he got a nice ticket. All he hauled was fish out of Baltimore. I think that it was the first time he had been checked.
     
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