log book questions

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  1. evd

    evd Light Load Member

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    before the questions sorry for my bad grammar English is not my first language .

    I got a new job as a yard jockey but so far in 3 weeks i had to go rescue 2 driver that ran out of hours .
    the max i drove was 75 miles min 45 miles .
    my boss say i dont need a log book since i work in the yard and that they will keep me less than 100 miles radius .
    Here my problem on my last recue i saw a weight station and just hit me that i dont have a way with me to prove i just a recues driver .

    do i need to use log book ?
    can i get in trouble ?
     
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  3. biododge1

    biododge1 Bobtail Member

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    I dont think you do provided you use a truck that is based out of that yard. If its the other drivers truck (based say, more then 100 miles) they may be able to get you for log book violation. Im not 100% sure though
     
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  4. evd

    evd Light Load Member

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    OK this is how it work i drive less than 100 miles in a company car to bring truck back to company,Truck operator drive car back to company . But what i afraid is that even my boss say i don't need a log book i get a fine .
    this is not a everyday thing so far 2 Fridays in 21 days.
     
  5. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    Ask your boss to give you copies of time sheets showing you worked local and keep copies of the past 7 days with you . If you rescue a truck have a copy of the driver's log book showing he drove it to the point you picked it up .
     
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  6. otherhalftw

    otherhalftw R.I.P.

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    If you are driving a bobtail truck you will be fine!

    However, if that load in the trailer came from out of state, then that is considered Interstate Commerce...you are then required to have a log covering your previous 8 days of duty. It's not the truck, but the freight being moved that determines Interstate v Intrastate...and the 100 air mile radius does not cover Interstate movement.

    the rule is very vague in it's writing and this will create quite the argument.....just watch!

    A bunch of "local" guys with this company I drive for....do a daily log "just in case"....never hurts to be prepared!
     
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  7. evd

    evd Light Load Member

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    no i had a trailer with me .
    The load went from Lancaster PA to Pikesville, Maryland so i went to MD to rescue driver and bring truck with trailer back to Lancaster PA .
    i been working 10 hours a day but last friday went to rescue I work total of 16 hours .you say will be argument here there already one at work i ask few driver and few think i should have log other say no .
    This company give me a chance with no experience and i learning as i go i dont want to piss them off but dont want to lose my Cdl also .
    we use electronic card to clock in and out so i dont have a time card so maybe will be best to log i guess something else I will have to learn to do the hard way . thanks for all reply.
     
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  8. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    Yes , it might be wise to keep a log for time records .
    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regu...fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=395.8&guidence=Y
    You need to check your state's intrastate driving regulations . I believe you were in violation working 16 hours .
     
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  9. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    This is true . Now if he's a yard jockey and moves trailers in the yard that came from another state does that mean he doesn't get the 100 mile exemption ?
     
  10. kratzzer

    kratzzer Bobtail Member

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    He had 2 violations he crossed state line and had more then 12 hrs worked. He needed to have a log for both those reasons. As for your last 7 days hours you worked you need to get ahold of pay roll to get those for you and that way you can transfer that info to a log book. We just went through this with my company.
     
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  11. Autocar

    Autocar Road Train Member

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    Geez people, stop guessing and read the regs. The OP's company is correct. No logbook is required for this driver, in this situation, from what was stated.
    Where the trailer originated does not matter.
    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=395.1
    (e) Short-haul operations'(1) 100 air-mile radius driver. A driver is exempt from the requirements of § 395.8 if:
    (i) The driver operates within a 100 air-mile radius of the normal work reporting location;
    (ii) The driver, except a driver-salesperson, returns to the work reporting location and is released from work within 12 consecutive hours; (iii)(A) A property-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver has at least 10 consecutive hours off duty separating each 12 hours on duty; Code of Federal Regulations479


    (B) A passenger-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver has at least 8 consecutive hours off duty separating each 12 hours on duty;
    (iv)(A) A property-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver does not exceed the maximum driving time specified in §395.3
    (a)(3) following 10 consecutive hours off duty; or
    (B) A passenger-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver does not exceed 10 hours maximum driving time following 8 consecutive hours off duty; and
    (v) The motor carrier that employs the driver maintains and retains for a period of 6 months accurate and true time records showing:
    (A) The time the driver reports for duty each day;(B) The total number of hours the driver is on duty each day;
    (C) The time the driver is released from duty each day; and(D) The total time for the preceding 7 days in accordance with §395.8(j)(2) for drivers used for the first time or intermittently.
     
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