Log book required?

Discussion in 'LTL and Local Delivery Trucking Forum' started by Deere Wrench, Dec 17, 2017.

  1. dibstr

    dibstr Road Train Member

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    390.5 Commercial motor vehicle means any self-propelled or towed motor vehicle used on a highway in interstate commerce to transport passengers or property when the vehicle—

    (1) Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating, or gross vehicle weight or gross combination weight, of 4,536 kg (10,001 pounds) or more, whichever is greater; or

    (2) Is designed or used to transport more than 8 passengers (including the driver) for compensation; or

    (3) Is designed or used to transport more than 15 passengers, including the driver, and is not used to transport passengers for compensation; or

    (4) Is used in transporting material found by the Secretary of Transportation to be hazardous under 49 U.S.C. 5103 and transported in a quantity requiring placarding under regulations prescribed by the Secretary under 49 CFR, subtitle B, chapter I, subchapter C.
     
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  3. Grumppy

    Grumppy Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Actual weight doenst mean anything when determining if you need a CDL. Its the GVWR or GVCWR. That's what you need to be going by.
     
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  4. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    Actually weight does matter, not just if you exceed the weight rating. Say you have a trailer rated and registered at 10,000 pounds, but hauling a load that is 10,500 pounds. Not only can you get an overweight ticket, you can be ticketed and put out of service for not having the proper CDL. (If, in fact you do not have a class A)

    This is from Drivers
    I bolded the parts that say that.

    Class A: Any combination of vehicles which has a gross combination weight rating or gross combination weight of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) whichever is greater, inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds) whichever is greater.

    Class B: Any single vehicle which has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of 11,794 or more kilograms (26,001 pounds or more), or any such vehicle towing a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight that does not exceed 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds).
     
  5. Grumppy

    Grumppy Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    ZVar:
    My post said that actual weight has nothing to do with determining if/which you need a CDL. This is still true. You cant be over weight until you get your CDL & start driving. Determining if you need a CDL & which CDL class you get is dependent upon the weight rating of the truck your gonna drive. Not how much weight you put on it.

    The OP's question was if he needed a CDL for his truck, weight rating on his truck & how much it actually weighs. Determining if you need a CDL & which CDL you need is based on the vehicle (straight or combination) & its weight rating.
     
  6. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    And the part of my post I highlighted proves that statement wrong.

    Most of the time you are correct, but when a truck is over the registered weight it might kick in the need for a CDL, regardless of the actual registered weight. All I was pointing out is that sometime it does matter what the weight is. Not talking about the op of course, just in general.

    As for the op, keep it under the true weight under the rating and it does not matter, that is correct.
     
  7. Deere Wrench

    Deere Wrench Bobtail Member

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    The question is/was requirement for log book mainly and if a EDL is required on my truck. I do not have a CDL license nor do I desire one. Not with what my company pays and expects out of its employees. I get a CDL and my work load would increase as I'd be asked to drive our flatbed. It's over 26k and has air brakes. I was supposed to be in the new ford transit van with a 9700gvw back in September. They ordered multiple units back in July and so far one has arrived. Mine was expected by early January but now a maybe for march. The one side note, I dispatch from my residence to my job sites. I rarely drive to my branch, I try not to go at least. They are trying to reduce my territory and work load to a manageable amount so only time will tell how that works out.

    Thank you everyone for helping me understand the requirements as my company is no help and as of now has not complied even with our larger CDL trucks.
     
  8. dibstr

    dibstr Road Train Member

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    Someone brought up the CDL thing, but not the OP. That wasn’t one of his questions.
     
  9. Grumppy

    Grumppy Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    ......... and you are correct. My mistake. Thank you for correcting that :)
     
  10. Pedigreed Bulldog

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    You missed this part. Log book, medical card, license classification, etc... requirements are all based upon "whichever is greater" between the registered weight and gvwr. Overweight tickets, on the other hand, are based upon the lesser of the registered weight and the gvwr.
     
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  11. NightWind

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    The 100 air mile exemption is for CDL drivers who:

    • Operate within 100 air miles
    • Go off duty within 12 hours
    • Report back to the same work location every day
    • Have at least 10 consecutive hours off before starting their next on-duty period
    The 150 air mile exemption is for non-CDL drivers who:

    • Operate within 150 air miles
    • Do not drive through any state that requires a CDL for the type of vehicle being driven
    • Report back to the same work location every day
    • Do not drive after the 14th hour of coming on duty in a period of seven consecutive days
    • Do not drive after the 16th hour of coming on duty in a period of two consecutive days
     
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