Log book Violation

Might want to re-read entire post on that comment,they use Lic Plate reading device to see how long the truck has been driving(hence a passive EOBR)

 

I do that on all time-stamped items... just to be safe.

 

Well sort of... Fleet cards(ie Comdata) will show an itemized time stamp of the cards use. Corporate credit cards... used on older credit card machines, will show an improper time, because they usually are ran through or actually charged at a later time.... Like at an end of a shift.

Been round and round with this issue before.

 

Never heard of a passive EOBR. Matter of fact at this time there is no true EOBR's out there. There are devices that are EOBR compliant but are actually AOBR's, as 395.16 has not taken effect and no one knows when that will take place after the lawsuit. To be a EOBR it has to be "on board" the truck. A tag reader is not. A tag reader is no different than any other device used in law enforcement. Is that any different than the Prepass in each State? Even in your scenario, how would I know that this same driver was driving because a tag reader picked it up 10 hours ago?

 

Not trying to argue with you but here is the article I cut out,i know what your saying ,,its not a "EOBR" litaerally(as ON the truck) but they are using "passive" technology to do the same(yes as with prepass,to which i have had that done to me in Oregon)

Any of you that drive in Washington State know of this?

"Washington State has evidently had enough falsified logbooks and of hour-of-service violations. In the past year, crash investigators found truck driver fatigue to be a factor in a number of truck crashes and drivers in eight of those accidents were found to have falsified their logbook, claiming to have driven fewer hours than they did. If you have been injured by a truck driver who may have falsified their logbook, you should contact a Kansas City truck accident lawyer to discuss your legal options.

Washington has installed a system to capture truck data at twelve locations across the state. When a commercial truck passes through the required weigh station, the Commercial Vehicle Division uses an automated license plate reader to see how long the truck driver has been on the road that day. That data can then be checked against the truck driver's logbook to see if it is accurate. In August, 98 drivers were cited for serious violation of the hours-of-service rules over a four-day periodWashington State has evidently had enough falsified logbooks and of hour-of-service violations. In the past year, crash investigators found truck driver fatigue to be a factor in a number of truck crashes and drivers in eight of those accidents were found to have falsified their logbook, claiming to have driven fewer hours than they did. If you have been injured by a truck driver who may have falsified their logbook, you should contact a Kansas City truck accident lawyer to discuss your legal options.

Washington has installed a system to capture truck data at twelve locations across the state. When a commercial truck passes through the required weigh station, the Commercial Vehicle Division uses an automated license plate reader to see how long the truck driver has been on the road that day. That data can then be checked against the truck driver's logbook to see if it is accurate. In August, 98 drivers were cited for serious violation of the hours-of-service rules over a four-day period."

 

Okay, first part: The term "a number" of accidents. Well, what number is it that makes this so severe, wide spread and epidemic a problem as this lawyer's advertisement suggests? Eight? Out of how many crashes involving trucks in Washington State during the same year?

Second part: The system does not track the driver. It tracks the truck, as DB pointed out.

To call this quote an "article" is a very long stretch. This is an advertisement for some shark lawyer in Kansas. You are better than this, ECU.

 

dieselbear you can believe and say what you want but a phone call to Fedural DOT from the right person will put you in your place and you know it. and yes the company i was leased to at that time had a real bad score, but come on 3 full inspections in 3 day in 3 adjoining states is bull #### and to get pulled into the fourth state for another, this is called harasment and abuse of authority.

 

So do you run Pre Pass still? The company I'm with sucks so bad that we dropped it to avoid the 100% pull in.

 

Oh i know what you are saying(not trying to start anything there Injun) I knew if anyone you would have some imput on this seeing that you frequent the area so much,,,I clipped it from a bigger article i was asking if anyone had first hand knowledge of this,I knew they did same with prepass a few years ago(I had a DOT do that to me in Oregon on 84) just havent herd of this "east of the big crick" LOL

Ky uses a similar system so does TN ,lemme find the entire article and Ill repost it

 

Yep out of KC like you said,here is the entire blog
http://knowledgebase.findlaw.com/kb/2011/Dec/501039.html

ACLU:http://www.aclu-wa.org/blog/automat...on-newest-threat-your-privacy-when-you-travel

CMCA:http://cmca.com/news/hotsheet_1118.htm

Wash DOT web site:How Does Electronic Screening Work
CVISN technology has been installed at 12 weigh stations in Washington. Using WIM,
Automatic Vehicle Identification (AVI), and Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR),
commercial vehicles are electronically screened on the mainline approximately ½ mile ahead
of the weigh station. The truck’s weight, size, registration, and safety record are verified and
within milliseconds, a signal to either bypass the weigh station or report to the weigh station
is sent to the vehicle. If a vehicle cannot be identified by a transponder or its license plate,
“Truck Exit to Weigh Station” is displayed on the changeable message sign.
Approximately 5 percent of the trucks will randomly be directed to stop at the weigh station.
This process has been installed to provide for manual checks to the automated system.

WHen I read these and a few other articles (this was before the ruling btw) I was sort of taken back by how this would circumvent the EOBR issue,yes it does track the truck(albeit passively) hence a "recorder" of sorts,i think if this was common place i would be more worried about this than ELOGS,(ELOGS you at least have some control over,this does not),thats why I had asked about it to DB

Injun ,can you fill us in on this??? thnx