A friend and I are having a debate about logging. He drives within a 100 air mile radius, but crosses state lines. I was under the impression that he has to use a log book, but he says no. Can anyone give me concrete evidence on who is right? Its just a small side bet between us, but I think he is gonna be in trouble if he gets inspected but he says no. Personally, I would log it just to cover myself, but he thinks its a waste of time. Thanks for any help.
Log Question
Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by BFL123, Apr 21, 2013.
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If you cross state lines you should log, but if you stay within 150 mile radius you dont have to. Tow truck drivers rarely log and in my area they cross the pa/nj line all the time. It really depend on how much of a prick the dot inspector is.
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Thanks for the reply, but does anyone have any experience with this situation? Reading some of these rules and understanding them, especially between two truck drivers, can lead to two different interputations LOL. I read the rules about 1000 x's in my career and it doesnt specify about state lines. Thanks again
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Yes it does. Crossing state lines needs a road log. 100air mile inside a state just log on duty not driving for all time up to 12 hours.
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so long as you don't go outside a 100 AIR MILE radius, you are fine. Regardless of stateline. See links above.
NOW having said that....
MN has two license plates for commercial vehicles. A "Y" plate and an "Apportioned" plate. An "Apportioned" plate is needed to leave the state of MN. It's treated differently as you are now paying IFTA to the consortium. If you have a "Y" plate, then you can't leave the state of MN.
That is only one example.
NOW...Having presented ALL of that.
When I am hauling around the house and less than 100 air miles.....
I still fill out a log sheet and show my start/end times and the time in between as "on-duty" and THAT is how I record for the company my work time. This fulfills the companies requirement to show my work day hours for this exemption. -
Safety Director here:
I have three of my drivers that are 100 mile radius drivers here and all they need to do is clock in/out in the same location they start from (terminal) and stay within the 100 mile radius. We are 60 miles from the WI/MN line so we go to the Twin Cities all the time. If they must go beyond the 100 mile radius then they must use a logbook for that entire day. Now since you cross state lines as you mentioned, you can not use Intrastate rules regarding 100 mile radius regulations (16 hours in one day/week)...that is prohibitied and will not discuss that as not to confuse you here. If you friend wishes to use a logbook while under the 100 mile radius reg...there is no issue to do that...BUT....he opens the door for DOT to find logbook violations (form and fit violations) and out comes the citation book. With those on timecard...the most I have had my drivers encounter is a DOT vehicle inspection as the MN scale there at the state line can see the city name on the door and knows we are 60 miles away. Never once had them call to verify if the driver is a 100 mile radius driver (fax time card proof to them). -
I drive within a 100 mile radius and cross state line,my boyfriend says yes we have to carry a log book as long as you cross state lines.But if you're in the same state you're allowed 500 mile radius as long as you remain in the same state.See we have local trks 30 to be exact but we also are an OTR company so we are required by law to do what the greater value(otr) does.There's like 500 clauses to that 1 law.
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500 MILES? I'd like to see the regs on that one....not4hire Thanks this. -
Not required.
If you feel otherwise please post a link to the reg that specifies such.
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