Log question

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by mjrpaine, Jun 19, 2013.

  1. mjrpaine

    mjrpaine Bobtail Member

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    Ok so I have a question ... I can't find anything on my local state website (go figure) that can answer it for me. I am hoping somone here might know where I can get the answer from.

    I am from Massachusetts and I have had a cdl-a for almost 4 years (never driven since no local would hire me and I couldn't do otr because I am a single parent) and I just started working for someone I know yesterday. It is a towing and recovery service. The flatbed is under cdl but and most stuff is in state (under the 100 mile rule). But he also does out of state stuff and has a 40' car trailer to use with it to run 3 vehicles to Jersey to deliver a few times a week. I know with the trailer attached it becomes a cdl-a rated vehicle and I use my log book for the run. I know the rules for driving and using log books are changing in like a week and a half and I want to make sure I comply with it. My questions are these ...

    If I am making the run to Jersey ... I use my log book ... but if I am making local runs and picking up cars and such ... do I not need my log book ?

    Yesterday I made the run to Jersey. I used a log book. Made some stops on the way back and hit 14 hours. 8.75 driving total and 5.25 on duty not driving. I was off at 5 pm yesterday ... to day at 8:30 he called me to make a local pick up. I ran 125 miles total to get some stuff with the truck and bring it back and drop it off at the customer shop. I was done in 4 hours. Do I use my log book for that just to make sure I keep track of it ... cause I think I am leaving at 3 am and heading to Jersey again. Or since it was local do I not log it ?

    If I am on call for the weekend for towing ... do I use the log book ?


    Thanks in advance
     
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  3. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    How many hours a day do you work local ? You need to work under 12 to be exempt from logging .
    When logging you need to show on duty hours for the past 7 days . You could use time slips but logging every day , even if it isn't required would make it simpler .
     
  4. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    I used to write in one sheet "Past 7 days were local driving". You need to fill in all the blanks like truck number and so on. Make sure you were in compliance with the 100 mile rule. Check FMCSR §395.1 (e)
     
  5. mjrpaine

    mjrpaine Bobtail Member

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    I just started yesterday ... so locally ... I am not sure yet ... all I know is he guarantee's me 40 plus hours a week and start time varies from day to day depending on what needs to be done ... and some could be on call over the weeked for towing. Our town does rotation with I think 3 companies for towing. So every 3rd week we are on call and he also has private contracts for towing and hauling locally with a couple companies. I am still trying to figure out how many guys he has working ... it seems like he has 3 or 4 that are just part time on call guys but I am going to be full time.

    So is my best bet it just to run the log book to show on duty not driving if its local calls since those are under the 100 miles and exempt just so I dont have a gap in dates in case I get pulled over ... they cant find me violating it if I am running to Jersey or something ?

    Oh and just for more info ... I am the only one who is actually running a log book ... he does not and none of his guys do ... so they are no help to me ...

    Thanks again
     
    Last edited: Jun 19, 2013
  6. wis bang

    wis bang Road Train Member

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    100 air mile radius exemption = exempt from logs as long as:

    Stay within the 100 air mile circle...i.e. stick a pin in your spot on the map & draw a circle w/ a radius of 114.63 miles as the crow flys - covers alot!

    Start and return to your work reporting location within 12 consecutive hours.

    Have 10 hours off between each shift. THIS IS MOST IMPORTANT!

    Should you realize you will not be back within 12 hours, draw your day's logs from memory.

    Anytime you drive outside the 100 airmiles [to NJ] all you need is a log for that trip.

    The DOT guideance says you do not need to carry anything regarding your previous 7 days because you are exempt from a logbook.

    NOTE: When stopped always tell the inspecting officer that you are a 100 air mile exempt driver so he won't be looking for a logbook full of days.

    You could have the copies of every trip to NJ; at one trip per week it would take 31 weeks to fill the book!

    You won't find this onthe state's site as it is Federal Regulations - 49 CFR Part 395.
     
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  7. ewill71

    ewill71 Heavy Load Member

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    doesn't the act of crossing state lines require a log? I have heard that a long time ago
     
  8. morr2fab

    morr2fab Medium Load Member

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    ewill71, I'm wondering why the truck you have picture, assuming it's yours, have so many axles? 80.000lbs is the limit and can be done with 5 axles. Again just wondering.
     
  9. hellbilly

    hellbilly Bobtail Member

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    I am a local driver and every other day I go outside of the 100 mile radius. Heres what I do to keep everything simple and it was recommended to me by a Ohio dot. The days I go outside of my 100 mile area I flag every change of duty status. The days that I stay within the 100 mile area I go straight down to line 4 on duty not driving and run it for my entire shift. It keeps it simple for the real local days and it keeps a current 7 days logs at all times.
     
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  10. Sublime

    Sublime Road Train Member

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    Yep, like the DOT said, completely acceptable. Works great for us in safety too, easier to keep track of.
     
  11. Palazon

    Palazon Road Train Member

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    We run 8 axle rigs similar to that in WA/OR that are rated to 105,500 lbs. 2 drives 3 tandem, and a drop (or tag) axle for each. Some states allow heavier limits using an annual overweight permits.
     
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