Log Question

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by xlsdraw, Jul 10, 2014.

  1. TomOfTx

    TomOfTx Road Train Member

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    Not a problem. Dazed and confused, well, then we need to worry. :)
     
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  3. BobcatVolvo

    BobcatVolvo Light Load Member

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    All this goes to show just how messed up the whole system is. This should be a simple answer, instead, it turns into 4 pages of debate.
     
  4. TLeaHeart

    TLeaHeart Road Train Member

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    Those who take the time to actually investigate the question, have all came to the same answer...

    the debate comes from those who do not want to log it legal or want the law to be different than stated.

    Travel time at the direction of your carrier is on duty, unless you are allowed a 10 hour break before starting your shift.
     
  5. otherhalftw

    otherhalftw R.I.P.

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    Just proves one big thing to keep in mind:

    A company (any company, any size) will instruct during orientation to the interpretation they wish to abide by. Which also does not necessarily mean that the company interpretation is accurate to what the rule/regulation reads. However, as long as what the company dictates in their own policies and procedures is not less than what the rules and regulations require, but more strict, the application of their policy/procedure needs to be adhered to by drivers of that company.

    A good example is the issue of time entered on a log regarding pre-trip and post-trip. The rules read that the driver read and make note of the previous drivers DVIR from the previous shift (your own if solo operation) and no time required but flagged (noted) that the PTI was done at beginning of driving. And the regs require 15 minutes for a post trip. Some companies require a 15 minute time noted on the pre-trip and the same on the post trip. Just an example BTW.
     
  6. HotH2o

    HotH2o Road Train Member

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    Can't say that I'm shocked to see 4 pages and multiple opinions on how to log this. So let me offer mine. Log it on line 1 unless you're being paid. If you're being paid then you log it on line 4.
     
  7. Toomanybikes

    Toomanybikes Road Train Member

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    No time requirement in the regs. for either pre- or post trip. Just saying.

    As far as the rest of your statement it is quite true. However, note that companies often obscure the rules in order to get things to work there way. For example, using your example, many companies emphasize the requirement of the pre-trip over the the post-trip. The reason they do that is the post-trip requires paperwork that can put them at liability for the results of an accident. The pre-trip puts the obligation of the poor maintenance on the the driver.
     
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  8. HotH2o

    HotH2o Road Train Member

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    Great movie!
     
  9. TomOfTx

    TomOfTx Road Train Member

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    Looks like there will be a Page 5 of this discussion. :)

    The fact that a driver is paid for a period of time does not always establish that the driver was on-duty for the purposes of Part §395 during that period of time. A driver may be relieved of duty under certain conditions and still be paid. That is why if you were a driver being detained at a shipper/receiver, or being paid while your truck is in the shop, or paid layover pay, etc., you are being paid, yet can be considered off-duty. One of the few instances in which the FMCSA connects compensation to on-duty time is for any time spent working for a non-transportation company in which you are paid. I myself personally do a great deal of charity work for a non-profit foundation. I choose to not receive compensation so that it does not require me to be accountable for the time of my logbook for my transportation job.
     
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  10. otherhalftw

    otherhalftw R.I.P.

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    There ya go tryin to kick that dead horse again!:biggrin_25521:
     
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  11. double yellow

    double yellow Road Train Member

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    We're still on page one, n00bs... ;)

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