Log question

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by flwo, Oct 27, 2014.

  1. Pedigreed Bulldog

    Pedigreed Bulldog Road Train Member

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    I've worked jobs where I would load at a quarry in one state, cross the river and dump in another state. 6-1/2 miles each way. Complete turn in 40 minutes. 15 turns, a quick fuel stop, and I'd be home in less than 12 hours. Whole day on line 4. Flag the pretrip & posttrip and just stay on line 4. Even if you WANTED to, there was no way to show 15 driving, 15 loading, 15 more driving, and 15 unloading...time stamps just wouldn't match up, and besides that, you'd spend more time coloring in that silly book than you would actually working. I don't care HOW neat your handwriting is, at the end of one of those days a RODS just ain't gonna be legible. Thus the 100 air-mile exception and a record of hours worked as a legal and workable alternative.
     
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  3. mattbnr

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    If I remember correctly, been awhile since I had to work with paper logs, You still only drive your 11 hours regardless. You have to mark daylight savings time on the log to show when it happened (always 2am) and you can't have more than 11 hours driving. But even though you "lose" the hour during fall you don't drive that extra hour. It still counts because you technically already drive it from 1 to 2.
     
  4. moujick

    moujick Light Load Member

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    do i have to log going from yard to shop its 30 miles a way?
     
  5. mattbnr

    mattbnr Road Train Member

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    Yes anything over 7 minute needs logged
     
  6. Pedigreed Bulldog

    Pedigreed Bulldog Road Train Member

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    If that is ALL you do, and you return to your original starting location within 12 hours, you can log the entire day on line 4. You'd be better off logging it on line 3 in most cases, as you'd probably want to be off duty while they are working on it.
     
  7. Scalemaster

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    Where is that in the regulations? Help me find it.

    The only thing I have found regarding this is 395.8 interpretations question 1
    Question 1: How should a change of duty status for a short
    period of time be shown on the driver’s record of duty status?

    Guidance: Short periods of time (less than 15 minutes) may be
    identified by drawing a line from the appropriate on-duty (not driving) or
    driving line to the remarks section and entering the amount of time, such as “6
    minutes,” and the geographic location of the duty status change.

    ANY amount of time for a change of duty status must be logged.
     
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  8. Scalemaster

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    ???? You mean on-duty, NOT driving?

    If you meet the provisions of 395.1(e) - 100 air mile driver - you are ONLY exempted from 395.8 (requirement to carry log and have it current)

    If you do make a log sheet for the days you meet 395.1(e) you must accurately show your activity on the proper line. Do not show off-duty for your local days. You still must comply with HOS hours limitations.
     
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  9. Pedigreed Bulldog

    Pedigreed Bulldog Road Train Member

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    You might just want to consult the FMCSA guidance on that matter.

    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/part/395?guidance

    In other words, you show the time you start work by dropping down to line 4. You show the time you finish work and are released from duty by returning to line 1. Total up your hours worked and put your name and date in their proper places, and you've met the requirements.
     
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  10. Scalemaster

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    You are absolutely correct, I have edited my post.:biggrin_25514:

    I was referring more to those folks who show me a whole bunch of off-duty days for when they were driving local.

    Thank you for straightening that out.
     
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  11. double yellow

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    Your company may require it, but nothing in the regs states you must describe your activities (fuel, pti, etc). I just put city & state (and time if less than 8 minutes).

    "Flagging" means noting a duty status of less than 8 minutes. Noting the city/state of a normal duty status changes is not flagging.

    You can log 1 minute with a flag. You just count total time in 15 minute blocks on paper logs. So 8 minutes off duty & 7 minutes on duty to start your day counts as 15 minutes off duty when you add up your hours for the day. But you still have to show that 7 minutes as on duty...

    Most people do not bother to put the time down, but it is required.
     
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