Log violation (general/form and manner)

Hand writing? Guess that state boy didn't get laid the night before if he's going to complain about handwriting. Then again I had one complain about my hand writing once said it was sloppy. That's why I always keep a splint in the pouch I my drivers seat they tend to give you some sympathy on handwriting if they think you have a broken right index finger. If they only knew I'm actually left handed

 

They might notice while your signing your ticket.

 

I've heard of that before. That is taking it way way to far.

 

Jeez, STOP reading MORE into the regulations than are what there. That is what will screw you over.

All you are required to do is verify that your vehicle is safe to operate at the beginning of the shift. IF you do a vehicle inspection, that time is counted as "on-duty" Otherwise, all you HAVE to do is review the post trip from the day before. (you should be doing that anyway.)

Your Daily Vehicle Inspection Report is to be completed at the end of the day. But even a DVIR isn't a vehicle inspection. It's simply a report. You can inspect your equipment all day long in 3-5 minute blocks and none of that would HAVE to be recorded as on-duty time as you are under 8 minutes on paper, and most E-logs are set for 5 minute or longer minimum duty statuses.

the "reason" for "15 minutes" is from days on paper and the "smallest" time block you could log is 15 minutes. But the reality is, you only have to flag your post, in-service, load securement and pre-trip inspections and note that you completed your DVIR.

Again, inspections are recorded as "on-duty not driving" All you HAVE to do is ensure you are satisfied that your equipment is safe to operate at the start of your shift.

A TRUE and COMPLETE vehicle inspection with air brake test would be a minimum of 45-75 minutes to complete. and who's really logging an hour or so for a morning pre-trip.

 

I've done vehicle inspections for 30+ years and its never taken over 15 min.

 

I'm gonna call bull on that one.....

You've walked around trucks for 30 years and it's never taken more than 15 minutes.

I'd love to see you complete and TRUE vehicle inspection, to include proper air brake, actual brake check, put hands on parts, steering etc in less than 45 minutes.

It's 8 minutes alone to complete ALL steps of the PROPER air brake test.

 

Ladies, lets not argue over the finer points of vehicle inspections, pretrips, etc. Suffice to say YMMV asnd as long as you feel your vehicle is safe to operate, drive safely and leave it at that.

 

And how would you be satisfied that it's in safe operating condition without inspecting it?

 

So, am I to believe from some posters here that they actually and truly get underneath their tractor and their trailer every single morning and do a full brake inspection? ... much like the guys at the shop do when the rig is over a bay? And they do this in the snow and sub-freezing temps, and in the dirt and mud? Really? You know, don't test my intelligence because we all know better. If the brakes feel good, the trailer brakes will stop a heavy rolling rig confidently, or all wheels can be locked down confidently if empty, there is nothing dangling or looks un-normal with a good visual inspection, there are no air leaks that can be detected with the truck off and emergency air is supplied, or when service air is supplied, then the brakes have been inspected.

I will not drive an unsafe rig, and my experience has taught me how to feel and hear when something is not right, and it will then get addressed. But this job does not pay me enough or supply me with a clothing allowance to gauge every brake travel, every morning. In more than 15 years of trucking, I have never seen a driver under a tractor doing a brake inspection as part of a pre-trip.

 

exactly the point that some of us are trying to make.....

Get into an accident though....and your butt WILL be hung out to dry because of it....