logbook lying

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by deerslayer1543, Nov 12, 2010.

  1. deerslayer1543

    deerslayer1543 Light Load Member

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    I work for a mom and pop pulling a grain hopper and average1000$ aweek+,home 1or2 nites aweek and off weekends.Thats the good part,now the bad.I have to lie my ### off to keep my owner/dispatchers schedule.I get sick of re-doing my log 3or4 times a day and whereas I can make it appear on the surface that im legal,any kind of serious scrutiny will easily reveal Im not.Ive expressed my concerns to the boss and asked why I cant run legal and its like...do you want this job? Is this common with mom and pops and what should I do? I know im going to get alot of "get a different job" but easier said than done.
     
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  3. EZ Money

    EZ Money Road Train Member

    All of the small mom and pop type places i have driven for were the same way.
    I was offered a job a couple months ago from one of them.
    When i went and talked to the owner he flat out told me they run that way.
    I would have been assigned a real nice KW that would run wide open...
    I was tempted to take the job but with all these new laws coming into play i passed on it.
     
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  4. stepnfetchit

    stepnfetchit Medium Load Member

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    Hauled grain my self for a couple of years not an easy job. Gotta be truthful here. Learned to run around scales and lie pretty good on the logs. Myself, I considered it just part of the job. In other words " the hell with it. I'm gonna make it look it good and do my job". Don't know that all small carriers are that way, but the only thing they have to offer is service so it kinda puts them between a rock and a hard place. Most places I picked up and delivered had no appointments. They were open 7am to ? and when you got there they unloaded it or loaded it. Rules say current to " last change of duty". I was usually one change behind but was always on the current day. Most DOT or grain inspectors will give you some leeway. They know what a ratrace it can be. There ain't nothing easy about haulin' grain and my advice is do the best you can with what you got. Stop doin the logs at every stop and get'em right at the end of the day. Tryin' to do'em 2 or 3 times a day will drive you crazy! Keep'em current as best you can and BE SAFE. Don't exceed the 11 hours driving and the 14 hours on duty. Make it look as good as you can and "take out the trash". Not what you wanted to hear but you gotta decide what you can and can't do. Would still prefer to work for a small outfit myself than the big ones. Me, I kinda like seein what I can get away with and just whose smarter, me or them. Won some,Lost some, and some got rained out. Typical day haulin' grain.
     
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  5. Rerun8963

    Rerun8963 Road Train Member

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    just be careful of what you do on your logs, as you will hang yourself, and the owner won't even know your name....log it as you do it. next, are you taking (logging) too much time doing a pre-trip...?? if so, try and log a pre-trip for 15 minutes. are you off duty while being loaded..?? if so, go up to line 1...especially IF where you go, they have a coffee break room. (you can be on a break)
     
  6. airram

    airram Light Load Member

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    When i ran regional,and was tight for my hours i would NOT log on-duty,or driving until my load was ready,and i already was in the cab,hooked and ready to book,then i would take my "fifteen-minute pre-trip" and get the hell out of dodge. I used to log breaks and lunches that i did not take either,all in the sake of not being the sorry-sap at the rest area or on the side of the road for running out of hours.

    Do i advise any of this..NO. Those were different times for me,and CSA was not in effect yet either. My company would hang me from the highest tree if they found out what i was doing,but everybody was doing it. Now,i have no qualms about sitting on the side of the road..it's my livelihood,and my butt..both are not worth losing if you get caught.
     
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  7. 123456

    123456 Road Train Member

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    Good way to get a cell phone !!!!!

    Be careful !!!
     
  8. Bumpy

    Bumpy Road Train Member

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    A good question,before I saw your post I was gonna ask basically the same thing,only difference tween me and you,-I pull flatbed..I have found if I fudge the logs once,dispatch thinks I will do this every time(not very reasonable)& if I never do,I am just a tourist(not making $$)Also if one is under forced dispatch,they can make ones life suck..=short runs,continuous shoddy shippers,etc...Now with CSA 2010,this problem has magnified +20..All you people reading this with any experience at all has gone through this,-any good advice?? PLEEEEEEAAAAAASSSSSSE,None of this macho B.S.,-Grow a pair and tell them etc... that sounds real good,but it DOES not work...THANX-B:biggrin_25514:
     
  9. trukngrl

    trukngrl Lollipop, lollipop...

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    What lie on the books!!! We would never do that! The choice would be yours darlin. I know it's easier said than done but if you are not willing to do what they want of you the best thing would to keep an eye open for another job. And then get the #### out of there as soon as you can. Until then be as safe and legal as you can. Oh yeah...don't get caught
     
  10. heyns57

    heyns57 Road Train Member

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    My friend "Salt Lake Sam" hauled grain. He was burning the candle at both ends and in the middle. Then, his doctor told him he had a silent heart attack. His doctor recommended taking a year off, so Sam went to Hawaii where his son-in-law was stationed with the military.

    Your health is more important than $1,000 per week.
     
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  11. 25(2)+2

    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Keep it current, even if you have to rewrite it. You shouldn't bank on courtesy anywhere, especially pulling a hopper, from what I see out here.
     
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