Logging Lines 1 & 2

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by LogsRus, Mar 26, 2007.

Did you know there is a difference between lines 1 & 2?

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  1. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    Do you know there is a difference between lines 1 & 2?
    Many drivers do not understand how they should be logging when they are lets say @ a truck stop (biggest issue).

    Line 1 (off duty)-Means you are able to do whatever you want. You can run to wal-mart, to Out back steak house (favorite food for me:yes2557: ), laundry or whatever. While doing this your log should reflect off duty. Yes even while in the truck stop. Common sense: Your body is not in the sleeper and your body is not in the front seat. You should log off duty.

    Line 2 (sleeper)- Means you are in the sleeper. Your body is in the sleeper. Does this mean you are sleeping, NO! You can be reading a book etc. Some of your 10 hour break should be spent sleeping (if they could prove you wasn't sleeping they could hold you liable, which can be done via cell phone records etc).

    So if you are at a truck stop and you are going in and out between truck stop and sleeper your log should be reflecting that.

    It doesn't make any difference on your 10 hour consecutive break or your 34/36 hour break.

    Many drivers will log 34 hours in the sleeper and DOT will question you on the fact you was in the sleeper for 34 hours without getting out. Some drivers really do live on their trucks and can't stand truck stops. If you did spend the 34 in the sleeper you should log it and stand your ground/explain to the officer.

    Just another issue that I find many drivers do not believe there is a difference.

    Here is the Question & Answer from the DOT Regulations that goes with the above.

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    Question 26: May a driver record sleeper berth time as off-duty time on line one of the record of duty status?
    Guidance: No. The driver's record of duty status must accurately reflect the driver's activities

    Have a great day! I hope this makes for a discussion and or teaches someone the correct way to log it!

    I did have a driver written up for this in the last 2 weeks. He logged off duty while he was in the sleeper. Save yourself a fine and take the advice given. :yes2557:
     
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  3. MedicineMan

    MedicineMan Road Train Member

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    I'm in the front seat typing this and y book says line 2 :biggrin_25516:

    Seriously though. I was just thinking about this today. I had to log a 34 hours for this weekend. I mean I took a 34 hour this weekend :biggrin_25525: And I was wondering if I should log it all off duty or sleper or split it. I loged it all of duty, guess I shouldn't have. See even after more years than I care to think about I still mess it up. I'm usually home for my 34 houre so it's not something I have delt with much
     
  4. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    If you are in the front seat you are on-duty so you better change them log sheets :biggrin_2559: If you are @ home then you are off duty silly boy.
    I bet if I was spying on you I would find out you was really working on your 34 hour break:yes2557:
    Well sounds like you are getting old, you should be getting better not messing up. The older you are you are "supposed" to be wiser. l.o.l.
     
  5. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    Why haven't you taken the poll yet? I can't get honest response if you don't respond! So before I start yelling again go do it now!:biggrin_25514:
     
  6. MedicineMan

    MedicineMan Road Train Member

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    You sure like to yell at me. You sure you aint my ex? jeeze.

    I'd get better if they'd stop changing things on me. You can't teach an old dog new tricks as the saying goes. You do my logs, I'l be at outback

    So you are saying I should take my computer and go in the bunk then? ya, that makes all the difference in the world!
     
  7. trackjack

    trackjack Bobtail Member

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    Question if I drive 11 hours and take my 10hrs sleeper berth does my 14 hrs start over?
     
  8. the pope

    the pope Light Load Member

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    so say you are in the sleeper and step out to go to the restroom or anywhere outside of the truck not work related for 15 minutes and come back to the sleeper, you have to log all your actions from sleeper to off duty not driving then back to sleeper?
     
  9. MedicineMan

    MedicineMan Road Train Member

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    :biggrin_25523:
    That's what she is saying. Now will ANYONE do that? that is a different question all together. You have to distinguish between the letter of the law and practical world aplications.

    She's goin gto yell at me again for saying that but come ON!!! This is the real world and I call it as I see it. If you make a log bok change every time you blow your nose that book will be such a mess nobody will be able to read it not to mention flat running out of space to write.



    And yes to the question above that. Anytime you take your 10 hours in the sleeper (or of duty) your 14 hour resets, even if you just worked 1 hour before doing it. Of course it ill still count against your 70 hours
     
  10. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle Medium Load Member

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    Exactly. It is like time spent at a shipper or receiver. It may take you 45 minutes from the time you get their to get assigned a dock and get backed in. Then you factor in your qualcomm message that you are there (depending on what you company requires). You go inside, search aimlessly for the shipping/receiving office because the half drunk guard at the gate didn't explain to you properly where it was, give the clerk you paperwork, he tells you that you are responsible for unloading, you cuss, then find a lumper, get authorization for a check to pay him, then jump in your bunk to go to sleep.

    Ask on an internet message board, you are logging 90 minutes on duty/not driving. What does your logbook actually show? I would bet that 99% of the logbooks out there would show 15-30 minutes max.
    :biggrin_25524:
     
  11. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle Medium Load Member

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    To answer the question on the poll, Yes. :)
     
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