Logging Off Duty Instead of Sleeper Berth

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  1. drivingmissdaisy

    drivingmissdaisy Road Train Member

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    DOT has told me they WILL call your fuel card provider, WILL call the number on your BOL and will ask for your logbooks going back as far as they need to. They don't need a "subpoena." You're a commercial driver, they have a right to all of that without any legal steps.
     
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  3. 4wayflashers

    4wayflashers Road Train Member

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    I know you are not being honest because when it comes to me it’s an attorney looking for evidence and for you it’s a DOT officer on the side of the highway.

    The regs were posted on here already. Off duty is all that is required. You can make up fantasy scenarios all you want.

    Show a regulation that says you need to log sleeper berth when in the sleeper or admit you are wrong.
     
  4. Thrasher28

    Thrasher28 Road Train Member

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    None of the above have anything to do with me redeeming a shower credit at a Love's or using my personal debit card to buy snacks while logging sleeper berth.

    DOT can call Santa Claus, the Pope, my ex girlfriend, Hulk Hogan, the shipper, the fuel card provider, or anyone else they please.

    No financial institution with any reputation at all will be disclosing information to Mr. DOT officer over a phone call in the middle of a roadside inspection. Doubtful the Love's cashier is going to disclose

    They can ask for 8 days of logs on a roadside inspection. Auditors handle anything beyond that and will fall onto the company and not the driver, barring it's not for some kind of accident investigation.

    BOL's aren't even required to have a phone number. Just name and address of shipper and consignee along with quantity and description of goods shipped.

    Commercial driver ≠ waiving of all rights
     
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  5. buzzarddriver

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    Had a Texas highway patrol sergeant tell us in a safety meeting that they knew drivers had to go to the bathroom during their sleeper berth period and they saw no reason to log off duty for that short period you left the sleeper to answer a call of nature. This ongoing argument is about as silly as arguing whether the sky is blue or not.
     
  6. drivingmissdaisy

    drivingmissdaisy Road Train Member

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    Logging your time sleeping in the SB is not a fantasy scenario.

    How about show a regulation stating that you can log SB time as Off duty only or admit YOU'RE wrong.
     
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  7. 4wayflashers

    4wayflashers Road Train Member

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  8. 4wayflashers

    4wayflashers Road Train Member

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    Done. Your turn
     
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  9. drivingmissdaisy

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    That doesn't say that SB and Off duty are the same thing or can be used interchangeably.That has already been debunked. That is saying you must do 10 hours of off duty or 10 hrs of sleeper or some combo to satisfy the regulation for rest breaks so you can drive again. It means you can be in a sleeper berth truck and log off duty time at your house or in a motel and not violate the law. You wouldn't want to log SB if you're at home. That would be falsification of records.

    Try again.

    Yet again, ANOTHER explanation of the difference between off duty and SB and why all SB time is off duty, but not all off duty time is SB:

    Complete guide to sleeper berth rules and definitions

    What is the difference between sleeper berth vs off duty?
    While both "sleeper berth" and "off duty" refer to periods when a driver is not working, there are some key differences:

    Off duty refers to any time a driver:

    • Is not on duty.
    • Is not required to be ready to work.
    • Is not under any responsibility for performing work.
    Examples of activities that would be logged as off duty include:

    • Time at home or in a motel.
    • Time at a truck stop or driver terminal.
    • Time spent eating.
    • Time spent stretching.
    Sleeper berth refers specifically to all time spent in the sleeper berth compartment of a CMV.
     
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  10. 4wayflashers

    4wayflashers Road Train Member

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    Did you really just use a schneider brochure as some kind of documentation of an FMCSA regulation?

    All the regs are in the green book. I’ll wait lol
     
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  11. drivingmissdaisy

    drivingmissdaisy Road Train Member

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    Did you really just misinterpret a federal regulation stating that you are allowed to sleep off duty out of the truck even if you have a sleeper berth on the truck to mean that you can falsify your logs and put off duty for time spent in the SB?

    Numerous other examples have been given and you can't seem to comprehend those, so I'm looking other places, maybe if I dumb it down to the point of the pumpkin trailer company you'll "get" it.

    That company has thousands of trucks on the road and this is what THEY say, how many trucks do you have on the road?

    4 Frequently Asked Questions about FMCSA Hours of Service.

    The federal regs might not EXPLAIN the law to you, but numerous other websites that are much more in the know than you are, have. Whether or not you want to accept it, I really don't care. But that doesn't make you right and all of us wrong.
     
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