Logging off duty when in sleeper. Yes or no?

wouldn't you think with the guidance being the end all be all to some of you, it would have been updated sometime in over 10 years and not reference things that don't exist anymore?? if one would take that guidance as the end all be all, we would be driving 10 and sleeping 8. cause that's what the guidance says should happen.

or has it occurred to you that may be an old outdated link, cause if that's the one the scalehouse guys have, we are all screwed.


I haven't advised anyone to falsify logs, I am simply advocating once you log something , stick to the story. it is not falsification to log 10 hours off duty.

it only becomes false if you say otherwise.

 

One thing that hasn't been mentioned. Just because a DOT officer interprets it one way dosent make it correct.

 

amen, brother

 

If your implying I'm kind of stupid? You are dead wrong, but if you like to dance to a different drum, that's fine for you, but if this will be acceptable with you, on the web site for FMCSA, there is a phone number, which I'll call tomorrow (Monday 12/22) and post what they say to be correct logging procedure, posting name of individual I speak with, will this satisfy you?

 

1. The guidance isn't the be all end all to me. I could give a rats butt what it says. It is however the be all end all to a lot of officers and judges. You wanna say you understand what's legal better them? Have at it. No skin off my teeth.
2. The reg that allows 10 hours driving and 8 hours sleeping is still current. It applies to drivers of passenger carrying vehicles. Therefore the entry in the guide is still current and still valid. Like I said, that guide is for all of the HOS regs not just the 8/10 split.
3. Has it occurred to you that the FMCSA website didn't exist 10 years ago, therefore the odds of the website containing a page which hasn't been updated in 10 years are pretty much nill?

You wanna keep digging yourself deeper into a hole? I can do this all night. The DOT says what it says on the matter. Wishing it away isn't going to change that.

I'm editing this to add:
I'm sure you're a very knowledgeable and very competent driver who has a lot of good things to teach other less experienced drivers. But you're just wrong on this one. The DOT does in fact say they don't want you logging off duty in the bunk. I dunno why they care and frankly I dunno why any driver would care but it is what it is. I well understand that no officers have ever bothered to care when they looked at your logs. But that doesn't change the fact that the DOT says what it does on the matter.

FWIW, I agree with you as far as it being smart not to say too much to any officer ever. In general, that's good advice. But in this case, things are about as clear cut as they can get. The question was what does the DOT have to say about it. And I've provided the answer. You've provided and differnet answere and you're wrong on this one. Doesn't mean you're not right on others. But you're just wrong on this one.

 

you guys sure seem to assume a whole heck of a lot. I simply asked if you had read and noticed that the guidance still referenced the old 10 and 8 rules.

and ya don't need to post correct logging procedures , I know them well, never had a question on my logs, their interpretation is of no consequence to me. I will continue to do what has served me well.

I just found it odd I was the only who noticed the references to old outdated rules

 

The information published on the website is merely a copy of the regulations as published in the Federal Register and will only be as current/accurate as those.

 

lol, I haven't dug a hole, I done ok in the past 35 years. and the website for fmcsa has been around a bit longer than 10 years. believe it or not websites have been around for quite a bit longer than that , I regularly surfed the net in the mid nineties with a dial up connection.

drink up , bud

and its not really hard, I log 10 hours or whatever off duty, I have never been questioned by anyone, company, dot or dot audit even. that's not saying I might not run into that oddball that will question it one day, but you will your sweet bippy I dang sure wont say I was in the sleeper. I might say I slept in a hammock slung under the trailer, which would be acceptable as in the guidance says only sleeper berth.

this is like a lot of things , its all in how you handle it. that's how most folks get dinged they cant keep there facts straight from one question to the next.


tell ya what, lets agree to disagree, I will keep doing what I have always done and you do it your way and log every time you go inside to take a leak,etc. my method has served me well, as I assume yours has

 

Yep I was wrenching on computers for a living 10 years ago so I think a know a thing or two about what was available online back then and I can assure you, the DOT regs were not online back then.