logging

I take that comment as don't log until you get home and then log it off duty??
Maybe I am wrong about that, but I don't think so knowing how some of these guys/ladies work on that log book.

 

No, no, no. It means log it properly that he's driving going home then, when you get home, log off duty, which is perfectly fine.

 

I think I read it right, he is trying to figure out how to keep his dispatcher from messing up his 14 hour clock/disrupt his sleep cycle.

 

I did not take a stand on how he should log his time to drive home (had it been me I would have logged driving to get home then go off duty). My response was more directed towards the time he was actually at home and not burning through his hours unnecessarily.

This does bring up a valuable point though. That is using the company truck as a personal conveyance.
As I understand the reg on this matter; a driver may log "off duty" for the purposes of going home (within a reasonable distance subject to interpretation of course) or dropping his trailer at a customer and bobtailing to a truckstop or restaraunt. The proviso for this is there must be no load in the trailer. The driver CANNOT be under dispatch. The driver must return to the same location after his "personal trip."
This would also apply to a driver that drops his trailer at his company terminal and then bobtails home for his time off. He would then drive back to the terminal also off duty to get his next load or duty assignment.

Actually I think we agree on this after re-reading your previous post.

 

This is an old provision that isn't there any more. (used to be on the old log books) If you are driving, you are on duty. Period. it does not matter if you are empty or full or bobtailing. If you are driving, it must be logged as such.

 

Oh boy now I have to verify this! Doh! LOGS HELP!!!!!! (lol)

 

43278 Federal Register / Vol. 71, No. 146 / Monday, July 31, 2006

The HOS rules define;

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''on-duty time''as
''all time from the time a driver

begins to work or is required to be in

readiness to work until the time the
driver is relieved from work and all
responsibility for performing work'' (49
CFR 395.2). FMCSA permits time spent
going to and from a residence in a CMV
to be treated as ''off-duty time'' if two
conditions are met. First, the driver​

must be relieved from work and all

responsibility for work while operating

the CMV. Second, the CMV must be​

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''unladen,'' or empty (49 CFR 395.8,

Question 26, Regulatory Guidance). If

both these conditions are met, the CMV
is viewed as a personal conveyance, and
the time spent may be treated as ''offduty​

time.''​

So far here is what I have found.​

 

The driver shall be reporting to the same location and ending at the same location to log it as off duty. Logging from a customer to home is not in the books. Many can twist that scenerio as much as they would like, however I fear someone will have a big issue when it comes to an accident during the time they are traveling. My reason is if you can't log it like it was legal then don't do it (to be on the safer side). Now if you drive 5 miles from the terminal to home, no problem. Don't push it to 11 hours of driving then drive 1 hour to home. It won't work in the court of law (mho).
I hate this question for many reason as I have seen some suffer and some take advantage of it

 

Yes we agree on this! However I don't agree with allowing a driver to bob tail after his 11 or 14 hour unless he is just grabbing a bite to eat down the road, laundry etc. I mean really what makes the difference if you are bob tailing to work or personal use? If you get in an accident the same outcome will happen, right? So I don't like the exception here, because 1) they don't specifiy a "number" of miles (Like Canada does) and 2) you can still kill someone regardless if you are working or using it for personal use? I mean think deep about what I am saying. I am glad you have this option, it just doesn't make sense to me on either USA or Canada.

I think there should be an exception to the rule regardless if you are loaded or unloaded. Like if you are held up 2 hours at a shipper you should get 2 hours extra (they should work on shippers getting drivers out quicker or better schedules?).