Hey guys,
I am 4 years into trucking now, 1.5years of that long haul and I'm about to jump into becoming an owner operator. I've looked at a few trucks and would like some experienced advice on which to proceed with.
Purpose of truck is hauling Van/Reefer loaded around 70,000 lbs gross to the mid west.
The trucks are;
1. 2016 Western Star 5700XE
Engine: DD15, 505HP
Transmission: DT12 Auto
Axle Ratio: 3.23
Mileage: 450,000 Km or 280,000 Miles
Price: $95,000 CAD or $71,000 USD
Pro's: Below market price, and low mileage.
Con's: Has been in a small accident (cosmetics damage only, has been sufficiently repaired), excessive rust from operating in western Canada.
The rust is excessive and I'm wondering if it needs to be sand blasted off and painted or is it something I can handle with a drill wire brush, rust remover/inhibitor and some spray paint.
2. 2015 Volvo VNL780
Engine: D-13, 455HP
Transmission: Eaton13
Axle Ratio: 3.42
Mileage: 725,000 Km or 450,000 Miles
Price: $80,000 CAD or $60,000 USD
Pro's: Looks well maintained, very little rust showing on the entire truck, Better interior and larger cab
Con's: Priced at market value (5700XE is around 10 to 15k CAD below market value)
I'm leaning towards the Western Star because of the value. The biggest cause of friction for me is the rust (I've never driven a truck with this amount and I don't know what problems it can cause in the future). I've attached a few pictures of the rust, what do you guys think?
Thank you
Looking for input on first truck purchase
Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by sooopertrucker, Apr 12, 2019.
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Looks like it’s been sittng for a while to rust like that. The frame seems good. If that’s the case. The rest is just surface rust on heavy iron, that’s not a problem.Either Truck will be a bit harder than others to get parts for, compared to Pete,kw or Freightliner. Generally speaking. Depends on where you live and run.Something to consider. I’d go with the WS if given the choice. But others will swear by the Volvo. Get the one you like
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Why is the WS so much under market price?
Are you shure it does not have framedamage?
How much factory warranty left on either?sooopertrucker, Lepton1 and Rideandrepair Thank this. -
I've been an O/O for 1.5 years now. If all your looking at is a rust bucket Western Star then you haven't did your homework long enough. There are "great" trucks out there for less money that will run for a long time..
The truck is only the beginning.
Are you running under someone else authority? If your running your own authority then comes Plates, Insurance, Fuel, Trailer, Maintenance account, authority, documents required for authority. Do you know a rough average yet for cost per mile to run your truck?
Do you have $30,000 put back in a separate account already for "surprises"?
Do you know that IF you run your own authority, before you even buy the truck to purchase all those things I mentioned ^ you need at least $6500 for all the down payments.
I would strongly consider a truck without def. Pre-def, Glider, something. I have a 2006 KW no def Cat motor that runs strong. Def will cause you headaches. Aftertreatment system, Def Filter, DPF Filters, Carbon build up, etc... list gets even more expensive.sooopertrucker and Lepton1 Thank this. -
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Frankly, I'd be looking for a Freightliner with a DD15. There's a gozillion of them out there, just pick your price and color. Dealerships all over the place (would also apply to the WS).
Look, they're not special, be they get the job done and are relatively dependable.
2016 FREIGHTLINER CASCADIA 125 EVOLUTION 4106sooopertrucker Thanks this. -
The WS is priced that low because it's a Daimler repo, I can put in the deal "pending approval of my mechanic" so if he says there is frame damage I can ask them to either fix it or just move on.
There's no warranty left on the Volvo, the WS has 800k Km or 5 years warranty expiring in mid 2020.
After hearing a few horror stories about the Cascadia's 1-box I've been looking into gliders but they are just so hard to find in Canada.
I've been looking to buy for a few months now and these are some of the better options I've found. What is wrong with a market price Volvo or a below market WS with a few issues?
I've seen plenty of Cascadia's, none of them were fairly priced or there was some major issue to be resolved.
Ideally, I'd like to stick with Daimler because they are the cheapest trucks to operate, get the most fuel mileage and after 2015 seem to have their emissions crap figured out more so than the other manufacturers.
i.e if you check the Cascadias on the Select truck Toronto website, they all have 60k miles more on them than the Volvo and are all priced $5-10k CAD higher. They don't even have a truck with low miles on it like the one you linked.
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They have 1 Cascadia with similar mileage and it's this vomit coloured beauty listed for 8k more than the Volvo I'm looking at. 2015 FREIGHTLINER CASCADIA 125 EVOLUTION Z3163Last edited: Apr 13, 2019
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DT12 will make you pay big repair bills after 600k miles. You will have towing invoices too..
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