Ma and Pa Shops?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by roadrover, Jan 22, 2014.

  1. roadrover

    roadrover Bobtail Member

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    Wow! Ok, then. You obviously think like I do. I have worked on a percentage basis with a local who runs farm tags. That paid really well. So I made the decision to negotiate this deal at 25% of gross in the event that we haul for that same farmer, and we will. There truck was running when I was hauling for the other but their driver was irresponsible and shelled the trani. The problem with that is, it's seasonal and I need full time. I negotiated with them above the national average per mile in exchange for doing my own dispatching. I was hopeing that that would allow me "my time at home" when I need it and I could choose my own lanes. Since I am meticulous about researching these things, I felt like I would have a better chance of survival... and I'm not your average bear. I am a loner and like to do my own thing. Essentially,the loads I get that would be otr will pay at a rate higher than I want to post here. So, it is as if I am an O/O without the overhead and authorities and such. I make them money and they leave me the hell alone... with their truck. The daughter is average looking, single, and dumb as a box of rocks. So, no dice on that one. All the information about brokers is a bit confusing though. There is so much conflicting information and different opinions about them. I did call a few and faked it just to feel them out. Most of them have been rude, demanding and expect you to haul for less than fuel cost. And then they usually finish up by saying that they will find someone to move it at that rate because they always do. My thing is I'm not doing this to be a truck driver. This is the beginning of getting into my own truck and I want to use this company to get through my inexperience without forking out the fundage for my own truck and winging it on my own...and as far as the steering wheel holders you are talking about, I know the type and have no intention of being one. Although, I must admit it is nice to have few breakdowns but I do the maintenance on a few trucks around here and can pretty much hold my own when it comes to mechanicing. Anyway, the deal went like this... I book the loads, I haul the loads, I get a drivers rate per mile that is more than adequate, they collect whats left. They agreed to my terms knowing full well that I would not take advantage of them in any way. I set the standards of what our minimum rates would be and would refuse to haul cheap freight at there expense. Then they book a load without me knowing, which I hauled today. I had to stop off and pick up a check on my way back (no backhaul) for the load and it was at an ok rate for the linehaul but the deadhead killed them. I would have never agreed to that one! When I got back to the yard the boss said he knew he was in trouble when he shot them a number and they jumped on it. Initially, I was told by their secretary that his daughter had done it, but apparently not. It was him. I just let him choke on his mistake and didn't rub it in. Although, I surely wanted to. So that's as far as I have gotten with them. I have to finish up a hauling contract with my father and then I'm ready to take the next step with getting loads for them. I have made some calls and have looked for jobs from shippers but so far nothing has worked out. So, I may be back to the brokers until I can beat the bushes and get something on my own. Anyway, thank you for your response and reading my dumb posts. I appreciate it and value your advice.
     
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  3. roadrover

    roadrover Bobtail Member

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    Because I would rather get shafted by a broker one time on the short term than sign on with a carrier and get shafted every day I get behind the wheel of one of their trucks. But, at the same time, I can't really base that opinion on any of my own personal experiences or knowledge. It just isn't my style that's all. No offense. If you are willing to read my crap and chime in, I am more than willing to listen to your views and consider them. Thanks, even if you break my balls or don't agree with me.
     
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  4. x#1

    x#1 Road Train Member

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    WE all are shafted by a broker from time to time.It is going to happen and will continue to happen.Basically it is a given.SO.with that out of the way,you will learn those that broker in terms that you find agreeable and they in turn will learn you.as long as you find that agreement 80% + of the time,then you are ahead as someone is going to have to carry that not-so-great load and at times,the someone will indeed be you.

    Back on topic.wait.I actually never got off topic on this one.some loads pay just about what you have predetermined to be the crap loads but the return load pays well above your predetermined great load.at the end of the month,which is the point that i use to determine where i am financially speaking,difficult to view on a weekly/bi-weekly basis i have found,you review your loads and reset,as in up it or maintain status quo, your predetermined rate.keep that broker or dump him.talk with THE broker,not his /her underlings and discuss your desires.

    basically you are summing the broker(s) up.great brokers pay you what you need consistently and there will be some crappy loads.they will keep you happy and pulling for them because you provide the service they need to keep that account.

    being able to keep the truck/trailer on the road,getting it to limp on in and save labor costs out on the road(i will vice-grip an air line in a heartbeat to get the job done,replace my own lights,wipers,whatever the typical company hand will not do,etc. but then i am not that driver nor have i ever been so when you own your own,you are already accustomed to doing whatever it takes) will place you head and shoulders(got dandruff?) above the average fingerless driving glove driver.

    I am reading that you have already made the decision to go this route and may already be committed.I maintain that you will be fine because you are determined to make it work even if you have to get your hands/clothes greasy.The truck owner(s) realize that they have a driver working for them and not a fingerless driving glove front.In return,the truck that you drive needs to do the job,PERIOD,and they need to trust you with that truck and trailer and allow you to do your job.I run across ragged/rough looking/stressed drivers daily that think they run hard in a 62 mph truck.they may very well be doing so but at the end of the day they are no where near as refreshed as the driver of a truck that does what it is supposed to do running the same miles.THAT is a given.I need some dispute on that.I can't think of any worthwhile rebuttal but would appreciate being flamed on that assertion.

    I have my opinions.

    carry on driver.you are well placed to obtain the goals you have set for yourself.I find that refreshing when compared to the average driver that has no more desire than to be relegated to that less than the speedlimit big company/constantly being monitored electronically mentality.times are different than when i started but i see no reason for one to have to accept the above after a year or so of experience.


    no.i am not opinionated.
     
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  5. roadrover

    roadrover Bobtail Member

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    Self evaluation is something most people can't do. So I love advice and am not to proud to take criticism. Especially, if it's about me making a mistake or overlooking something. I feel much better about the current situation after reading your post. Thank you and thanks for the advice. One thing that this site has made me realize is that I will surely be making new lifelong friends and that people in the trucking industry are good at heart, at least on this side of the fence. Much love to you x#1.
     
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    x#1 Road Train Member

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    reads as if she is a catch to me.HA! how many trucks do they own and is she the sole heir? hahaha.just kidding.well not really. the main thing here will be the working relationship.two large egos do not equate the ideal enviroment however,if she is of huge ego,learn to bend but not break.you can be a "yes man" and still maintain dignity simply from doing what you know is right/best concerning those after the brokered by her loads.make sense? run it and drive like it is yours and the work enviroment will indeed be friendly.mutually discuss loads to begin with her and eventually she'll probably cut you loose so she can concentrate on the paper side/tax side of the business. there is that WIN/WIN I posted regarding earlier.


    KUDOS to you for seeking more out of trucking than to simply drive a big brother fearing/everything electronically monitored,running in the less than posted speed limit pack of mostly non drivers.mostly meaning there a few that are mixed in that pack for unknown reasons.

    best of luck and enjoy your new found freedom,almost experiencing trucking as it used to be which is much more than that fingerless driving glove is experiencing-
     
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    spyder7723 Road Train Member

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    The best advice I ever got in my life was "be careful who you take advice from"
     
  8. roadrover

    roadrover Bobtail Member

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    OK, Spider. What's your take on the situation?
     
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