Discussion in 'Mexican Truckers Forum' started by VULCAN1999, Aug 29, 2007.

  1. javelinjeff

    javelinjeff Medium Load Member

    Aug 30, 2007
    ok,i'll drop the sabotage part,but the good old boy sheriff making sure some fines are levied on any and all violations is legal and would insure that they were OBEYING the law
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  3. mikroos5

    mikroos5 Medium Load Member

    Nov 16, 2006
    That i'll go along with,Just don't need to advocate violence to try and prove anything.

    Now if Barney Fife wants to do a GI inspection thats OK with me.

    Thanks Mike
  4. stranger

    stranger Road Train Member

    Oct 10, 2006
    Yes it will. Read the thread about the first Mexican truck crossing. That truck is coming to NC. I have pulled freight from NC to Laredo, dropped and hooked, and returned right back to the starting point.

    Several companies here are shipping raw goods to Mexico where the parts are assembled, then shipped back to the same plant as finished goods to be distributed.

    This was good freight that paid pretty well.

    The reason the finished goods were shipped back to the same plant is this. The two different plants I pulled from used to assemble and distribute their goods from the same plant, but after NAFTA they decided it was cheaper to ship the parts to Mexico and bring the finished goods back to be distributed.

    This was two different companies making totally different goods. Those were just two of many doing this here in NC.

    So, the Mexican trucks will have no problem being loaded both ways if they play it smart and take this type of freight.
  5. Gio

    Gio Light Load Member

    Aug 3, 2007
    Saint Louis area
    The Canadians have been stealing freight for years. They run from Canada down to all the auto factories and back.
  6. MexicoTrucker

    MexicoTrucker Medium Load Member

    Oct 22, 2008
    Saltillo, Coahuila - Mexico
    Before you dismiss and ridicule that second statement, it is factual. You can check it out yourself at

    A recent report on the 1 year anniversary gave us some real data on the trucks participating in this program. As I recall, Driver OOS was 0.65% and Equipment OOS was 7.3%. Compare that to the national average of US trucks of 6.7% for driver OOS and 23.2% for equipment OOS.

    Before, The Teamsters and OOIDA were taking data from trucks operating under OP2-MX authority (drayage operations) and trying to convince the great unwashed masses that these were the trucks that would be wreaking havoc on our roadways.

    You mention the 4.5 million freight crossings occurring and I'll tell you, that has risen this year by 11%.

    Mexican drivers can't make a dent in that number. According to SCT, the Mexican DOT, there are only 258.000 Federal licensed commercial drivers in Mexico, compared to 11 million US CDL holder according to CDLIS. And those guys have to handle the freight coming into their country to it's destination.

    This whole issue is a non issue brought to you by the protectionism of Jimmy Hoffa.
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  7. MexicoTrucker

    MexicoTrucker Medium Load Member

    Oct 22, 2008
    Saltillo, Coahuila - Mexico
    Nothing is going to happen to American trucking because of this program, and repealing NAFTA won't solve a thing.

    NAFTA has been a net gain for all countries involved overall, contrary to what some believe.

    Technology, not NAFTA, is the cause of much of our lost jobs.

    Unions and Union members refusing to give an inch in their demands when contract talks come around are another cause.

    Many of the lost jobs people accuse NAFTA for, actually never left the country, instead moving operations to the southern states where there is a more business friendly atmosphere.

    Honda, Toyota, Kia, Hyundai, Mercedes Benz, BMW and now VW didn't go to Mexico nor did they choose to open plants in the north. There is a good reason for that if you think about it.
  8. stranger

    stranger Road Train Member

    Oct 10, 2006

    You can post that all you want, and you may actually believe it. Just come here to the Carolinas and see all the closed factorys that are now operating out of Mexico.

    You talked of all the foreign car makers in the southern US, but you fail to point out that GM, Ford, Chrysler, and Freightliner, all have huge facilities in Mexico. I can name a long list on NC and SC companies who went to Mexico if you wish.

    You said the Mexican drivers will not hurt loads because the freight has increased 11% this year alone. That increase is only proof that more companies are fleeing to Mexico as fast as they can.

    As for pay, anytime you increase the available workforce, the wages are driven down. You have posted in other threads how Mexican drivers would be thrilled to work for what US drivers are making. If you have an infusion of drivers who are willing to work for less, then what will happen?

    The cheaper drivers will get the jobs first, and any remaining jobs will pay less. The picture can be painted as rosey as can be, but the facts are still the facts.

    How about the processing plant in Iowa that was just fined over 10 million dollars for wage and hour violations. They have been raided many times for hiring illegials. Why are there so many illegals working so far north of the border? Why are so few Americans working there?

    The answer is simple. This company only cared about themselves, and not the good of the country. They hired low wage illegals, therefore lowering the wage to the point that the average American could not afford to work there and be able to pay taxes, insurance, mortgauge, car payments, and healthcare.

    The illegals were not doing the jobs Americans won't do, they were doing the jobs Americans CAN'T do at the less than legal wages that were being paid out.

    You know as well as I do that many illegals live several families to the house, carpool to the same plant, get free healthcare and free school lunch. They pay no health insurance, because free ER visits is their mode of healthcare. With the government subsidies and low cost of living, illegals can work much cheaper, and do in most cases.

    In closing, NAFTA, as written, and the total lack of illegal immigration control, is killing this country.

    Yes, things seem OK for the Mexican worker, for that persons standard of living if going up, at the expense of the average American worker.
    Last edited: Oct 30, 2008
    Working Class Patriot Thanks this.
  9. lego1970

    lego1970 Medium Load Member

    Oct 10, 2008
    Blue Springs, Missouri
    Oh, yea. My brother had to move away from a perfectly good 3 bedroom 2 bath home in a suburb of Kansas City because his neigbors sold a home and the next thing you know, there were Mexicans coming and going from this house. The house went to crap, and my brother felt forced to leave in order to not lose thousands of dollars in the value of his home. 5 years later that house next door looks like crap and thier are Mexicans running in and out of the home. I think most Mexicans are good people but like this pilot program. It's just a matter of time before it lowers or stops the shipping rates. Mexicantrucker, as I said before you sound like a nice guy and you own a house in Mexico which is all good and well, but would you own that house if it wasn't so cheap? Why do you think it was cheaper then a similiar home in the states? I wanna like you but I feel regardless of what you say, Nafta or Cafta does not have the best interest of the middle class people in the US.
  10. Working Class Patriot

    Working Class Patriot Road Train Member

    Jan 17, 2008
    Wherever and Whenever...
    For anyone who denies that NAFTA does not ship jobs or lower wages....
    Take a look at the construction industry.
    When I was kid growing up most of the guys that worked for my dad were able to buy a house, support a wife and kids, all on a laborer's wage. Can't do that now, in fact when I started out as a labor in '78 I made $11.00 per hour. The average wage for a labor in CA is $10.00 per hour now. The majority of construction labors are Mexicans who were willing to work for far less than their American counterparts.

    Harbor trucking gone the same way...
    Dump trucks gone the same way...
    The jobs that someone used to make a decent living are now no better than flipping burgers (wage wise) and at least flipping burgers, you are indoors and get a free meal out of it.
  11. datxsaw

    datxsaw Bobtail Member

    Aug 12, 2007
    Grand Prairie, TX.
    You are absolutely correct in your assertion. What's even worse is that, ever since its very inception in the early 1970s, NAFTA has always been intended to be only the beginning of a process. Since its passage in 1993, this process has resulted in the passage of CAFTA, the Ecuadorian Free Trade agreement, the Peruvian Free Trade Agreement, the "Security and Prosperity Partnership" (SPP), and now the Columbian Free Trade Agreement, and others. Meanwhile there's a Trans-Atlantic Union quietly being formed with the European Union.

    In his essay the Hard Road to World Order, which was published in April 1974 issue of Foreign Affairs (the official journal of the Council on Foreign Relations), Richard N. Gardner wrote (in part), "...An end run around national soverignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault... It will look like a booming, buzzing confusion...". Very telling...

    For anyone interested in learning more of the truth about this ongoing and open-ended "process", here's a link to some substantive information, which is all very thoroughly and painstakingly documented, and comes from an extremely reliable source with a proven, long-term record of accuracy:

    I most strongly urge you to intensively scrutinize this and share it with others.
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