microBlue Front wheel bearings

Very scientifical tests done by truckers, different trailer, different fuel..

Rat is right about the drivers driving style, when they buy some fuel saving add-ons they also change driving style when trying to prove themselves that the money was well spent.

That gasoline thing can be simly explained with physics. Higher octane fuel burns slower and gives less power if engine is not tuned for it. Modern european and japanese cars run all the time at knock limit and they ECM change timing when fuel changes, lowtech Harleys don't have that technology. Formula 1 engines can't knock, that's why they use as low octane as allowed by regulations to make more power.

 

So you have experience with this product and have actually tested it?

Sounds like a guess at best with no real testing to back it up???

 

V8Lenny, actually the harley ECM can detect spark knock and adjust the timing to stop the spark knock.

Dice, no I have no exerience with microblue tech. I do have some experience with some of the other bearing tech that was spouted a few years ago. It is actually nothing new. Just another version of what has been tried before.

As far as the Honda-harley coment. I agree to an extent. I have seen many harley engines with more then 100K on them and have yet to be opened. When I was shopping for a bike, I wanted a certain look or a certain faring style. That and I love the sound of a harley V twin. It has a distinct sound that has never been duplicated. I have never seen a metric bike with a batwing style fairing and I shopped around for one that had one. No dice and ended up with the Electraglide for about 14 grand. Got three years on it now and it still runs great even though I do hammer on it pretty good sometimes. It is quick enough for me and will leave rubber on the ground through 3 gears. And it will cruise all day long at tripple diget speeds if I so choose.

 

I'd sure like to see a wheel and tire on a test stand, with the proper load on the tire, and see how many hp it takes to spin it. And here's why:

It takes somewhere around 240 hp to push a truck down the road @65mph. About 1/3 of that is non-aerodynamic friction. If we take 7 mpg as a preinstallation figure, that gives us 7.4 mpg with a 3 axle Microblue kit, a 5.4% reduction in fuel usage. That equates to a 14 hp reduction in power required to overcome friction, which is approximately 18% of the total frictional losses. If you scale that number up to include the trailer axles, you're saying that you've reduced friction by 30%?!? I doubt the total contribution of the wheel bearings is 30% of total friction, much less being able to reduce their contribution by that amount.

So, it would be quite simple and relatively inexpensive to rig up a test stand to check this out, yet it seems that there has been no quantitative attempt to verify these claims. There could be no arguing the raw numbers, as calculating power requirements on test stand is a simple thing, trying to attain completely repeatable mpg numbers on the road is ridiculously difficult. And if it would be so easy to show just how much you reduce friction with your product, one has to wonder why they haven't done so.

(And just so y'all know, the block and ring test is not an valid simulation of the type of friction in a bearing. The snake oil guys use it because it's dramatic, but the additives that effect that friction aren't necessarily the ones needed for a bearing. There is a reason that gear oils are different from motor oils, and all the block and ring do is demonstrate the effectiveness of high pressure additives, or as in this case, the slipperiness of the coating.)

 

I have searched all over the net for truck testing on where somebody has dynoed only the motor on the same dyno and then dyno the motor thru the entire drive train to see ACTUALLY what the loss is, but there is nothing but a quess on what that loss is?

There is a Drivetrain dyno somewhere in the Mooresville, NC area that one of the Indy Car teams has used alot with microblue components. The NASCAR teams use it alot too.



Would be nice to have some actual test data because race teams keep any advantages found a secret as long as they can.

Until somebody does some real dynometer testing, we will never know exactly how much that loss is thru the drivetrain. I have heard anywhere from 18% to 32% of friction loss thru the drivetrain. So which is right or maybe both are right considering mass production lack of quality precision parts?

There is supposed to be a German company that has a complete roll down test on a chassis dynometer that can measure that as an estimated quess, but I have yet to find any information on that?

I researched this subject for 2 years before I went with MicroBlue this summer and it took some inside references from friends that work in the NASCAR shops before I went with it. I was looking for Ceramic Wheel Bearings that do not existing in tapered rollers for trucks.

All I can say MicroBlue has worked for me or I would not be doing more of it on my truck. The wheel bearings was the first thing I changed and I could feel the difference rolling up to the first stop sign like most people can tell when they install them in their trucks.

 

I'd like to hear about that experience because I don't believe we are making an apples to apples comparision????

But let me set the record straight that you have ZERO experience with MicroBlue micro-polished and Tungsten Disulfide coated parts?

Do you know what REM polisher is?

Do you know how Tungsten Disulfide works?

 

Just keep telling yourself that and some day it might be true.

I hate snake oil salesman.

 

The American Medical Association's clinical definition of a moron is "one who makes commanding statements that are not based in either logic or fact".

 

That fits most of us on here!!

 

I hate them too!

The fuel additive salesmen are the worse that call you up and always hang up when I ask for the free 1 month free sample to test with and post results that they know they don't want. I have only had one company take me up on it and that was Extreme Fuel Treatment that they got mad at me for posting honest results that showed no difference in using it for almost 1 month that I used exactly as instructed.

I posted results like I did all the other products I have tested from hydrogen generators to solar panels to turbo3000d Vada to Pittsburgh Power Products to Fleet Air Filters to Air Tabs to Michelin X-One XDA Energy Tires from dual Bridgestone M720s. I have tested alot of products that some work and some don't work on my dedicated run with the same weights, trailers, routes and fuel stops.