mileage and price questions

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by J-man5, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. J-man5

    J-man5 Bobtail Member

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    just got a price quote from progressive. Tractor and trailer $4700/yr if I pay all at once, $5500/yr if I use the payment plan. So, if I use the payment plan and drive 2500 mls/wk for 48 wks/yr, it rounds up to $.05/ml.

    (I use 48wks/yr because 4wks/mo x 12mos/yr is a simple way to figure, and allows for some down time and vacation.)

    I don't know how to figure what plates will cost? $100/mo reasonable for load board fees? ($.01/ml)

    So far: loan payment - $500/mo - $.05/ml
    maintenance - $300/mo - $.03/ml
    tires - ---------- $.04/ml
    insurance $5,500/yr - $.05/ml
    fuel ----------- $.73/ml
    repairs -$5,000 - $15,000/yr$$.04-.12/ml
    wages ------------ $.42/ml
    load boards $100/mo - $.01/ml
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    $1.37/ml - $1.45/ml
    + ? plates, authority, etc.
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    ?????????
     
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  3. J-man5

    J-man5 Bobtail Member

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    Please help me fill in the blanks guys! Also, the big kicker, is how realistic is the 2500mls/wk?
     
  4. J-man5

    J-man5 Bobtail Member

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    And, yes, I am the driver, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be making wages,right?!? Whatever is left over is pure profit. By the way, I came up with $.42/ml for wages because, at an average speed of 60mph, that equals roughly $25/hr which seems decent.
     
  5. Oscar the KW

    Oscar the KW Going Tarpless

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    I think in your area you are going to have a very hard time getting 2500 miles and averaging $2 per mile. I think before you borrow any money or buy anything you should subscribe to some load boards and watch what freight is doing. Colorado is a horrible place to be with an open deck trailer, unless you can sell your service's to a shipper in your area that doesn't know what everyone else is paying. Or not paying.
     
  6. J-man5

    J-man5 Bobtail Member

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    I guess I could subscribe to a couple of free ones for now, just to get a feel for the market, huh? Any thoughts on what prices and miles are realistic?
     
  7. DrtyDiesel

    DrtyDiesel Road Train Member

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    I plan on becoming an owner operator one day soon. Ive been keeping track of all my expenses of my company truck like fuel and how many miles im running. I have an aero truck and i pull flats. Just on fuel alone its about .65/mile. all of this stuff gets expensive. I believ ill have a hard time if i go on my own authority since i live in florida.
     
  8. Oscar the KW

    Oscar the KW Going Tarpless

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    I would rather be in Florida than Colorado.
     
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  9. BoyWander

    BoyWander Road Train Member

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    Running in an 800 mile radius from Colorado, you'll likely use up more fuel...80cpm sound about right, but could end up being more, it is over $4/gal in a lot of places now.

    Does that insurance quote include $250,000 worth of cargo insurance? You only need $100,000 for most brokers and loads, but I know nothing about open-deck loads. I'm assuming oversized loads?

    Your costs should end up being around $1.20/mi not including your own salary.

    Anything over $1.70 a mile should get you at least a small profit.

    And yes, maintenance and repairs you should be putting away, for both a truck and trailer, about $400-$500 a week. It's good if you over-estimate this, but it's a very bad thing if you under-estimate and don't have enough to cover an emergency repair.

    And you're forgetting taxes, too. Whatever you have left over after your expenses, you're going to be taxed on - and remember, if you choose to incorporate, you're going to have to pay different amount of taxes on your business, and your salary will be a business expense, so you will pay personal income tax on your own salary. If you are sole proprietor, or LLC, then everything left over after expenses is taxed at personal level, as far as I know.

    So yeah, I think a good rule of thumb, for general purposes, is $1.70-$1.75 a mile to make a profit, and that's with fuel at its current cost.
     
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  10. J-man5

    J-man5 Bobtail Member

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    Thanks! I appreciate the good info! My very first estimates had me at around $1.39/ml including wages, so It looked real easy to make a decent profit. I can see now that $1.50 - $1.60 is going to be more realistic. So then, the big question is how many miles I would be able to get at $1.70 + in order to make a decent profit and be worth going into business. It also seems to me that success would partially hinge on how long before the first big break down. If you could get a few months of good income without a huge extra expense, you could have some money ready as opposed to spending more before there's even been any real income. Of course, the sooner the equipment gets paid off, the more profit there is also!
     
  11. J-man5

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    The ins. quote covered $100k for the load.
     
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