Minneapolis riots

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  1. JC1971

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  3. Rocks

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    If that is what you think I am doing and how I am thinking... :biggrin_2554: so be it...
     
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    gentleroger

    LA county has 112% voter registration. Who is that other 12% if not fraud?

    Give the white people a little credit even the moderate who doesn't like to rock the boat.
    Slavery existed for thousands of years and still does in many parts of the world. But white Judah Christians put a stop to it in most of the world. Even had brother fighting brother to end it here in the USA. Dr. King was a great civil rights leader but with whites being the majority at the time if they were not for it it wouldn't have happened.
    White people are f'd up like all races but the world is not black or white it's mostly grey.
    To be clear I am NOT saying you have said anything negative about anyone. Just thought I'd add something to think about. I am actually enjoying your comments. We may disagree, but our conclusion are at least thoughtful.
     
  5. againstthewind

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    all over a 20 dollar counterfeit bill, didnt anyone tell that guy its the federal reserves job to print fake paper money lol
     
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    Thank you Mr. @gentleroger for the history lesson... I understand what you wrote.. But I still don't believe that this level of destruction is necessary to protest the death of Mr. Floyd. I understand the history of racial oppression in this country and how folks (blacks and whites) get outraged when a black person dies in the hands of a white cop who didn't handle the situation the way he was supposed to.
    Not all white cops are bad cops and want to kill black people.
    What happened was a disgrace for everybody. The cop was arrested, was charged with murder and will go to jail...
    Police needs to be better trained and yes... people should protest. But not destroying the city... not destroying businesses, not exploding things, burning vehicles and creating chaos... the stores that were destroyed yesterday in Minneapolis belong to minorities, blacks and immigrants... So... who are these so called "protesters" trying to hurt?
    But the real protesters are not the ones destroying the city, setting vehicles on fire, exploding buildings, throwing rocks at the police...
    If you see the images, most of them are young, all colors, maybe not all Americans... they come from other states and are very well organized. Most dress in black, carry backpacks and are well organized to create chaos, destroy and hurt and kill police... is that the right way to protest for what happened? And to change things in the country? IMO, absolutely NOT.

    Mayor scolds violent protestors: Not in the spirit of MLK



    Sorry... this is not in Minneapolis...
    I tried to find only the video of her speech but this was the only one I found...
     
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  7. againstthewind

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    America is like the Dr Phil show, 30 yrs later same ol problems. just how it was intended and planned to be, ask the company buying ad space on CNN how bad times are.
     
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    I'd say that 12% is piss poor record keeping.

    I'm not against voter roll purging. In fact I am for it. I first formed this opinion in 2004 when my sister called me to complain that I hadn't voted. I had voted, but I did so in Milwaukee, where I was living at the time. However I was still on the election roles in the town I grew up in. At that point I realized I could have voted twice easily, 4 times with a little effort. But when the election commission goes "whooaaa, this purge data is WAAAAYYYYY screwy, lets hold off until we can figure out why" then gets sued by a law firm that only does political work, I go "hmmm, that's interesting". When the case is heard by a judge whose campaign was funded by groups controlled by the owners of that law firm I go "wait a second". When that judge holds the election officials in only one county in contempt and ignores the ENTIRE rest of the state then I'm saying "there's something fishy in Denmark". When you add all that to the LOOOONNNNNG history of both parties actively trying to minimize the black vote is it any wonder the black community sees nefarious intentions?

    Going back to my sister's phone call berating me for failing at life (a favorite past time of hers). How did she know I had or had not voted? At the time, the practice at our polling station was to put a check mark next to the name on the voter roll. Anyone can look down and see who has and has not voted, that's a problem. The next problem is putting a check mark next to a name that's printed in size 8 font. The problem after that is counting up all those check marks at the end of the day and getting that count to match the number of ballots. The problem after that (at the time) was reconciling the number of ballets issued to the polling location with the number of voters issued a ballot with the number of ballots cast. It's been 14 years since I cast a ballot in person so I can't comment on today's procedures, but from the last 10 years of annual reports I've read (okay, skimmed) in the last 48 hours most of the issues with voting are due to election officials themselves,the processes they use, and the legislature being ineffectual.

    In regards to whites being for civil rights - they were for it when it didn't cost them anything or when they had no choice. I listened to an interesting story the other day about a female only radio station in Memphis that started in the early 1960s. In it was a line that went something like "The Washington Press Corps voted to remain all male today. Seems like they care more about telling us how to integrate than integration itself". [please note that is not a direct qoute]. After the 1964 Civil Rights Act, SNCC, CORE, and SCLC started becoming more active in the North, and all of a sudden their funding dried up. Had McDowell been able to communicate between his flanks and fought First Bull Run the way he had planned it [plus he would have needed to be less of a complete waste of oxygen] the Civil War would have been over by 1962 and Lincoln would have left slavery alone. Had Johnson not been a complete tool the 14th and 15h amendments would not have been passed. The Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1968 were passed not because white America wanted them but as an attempt to appease and deflate the Civil Rights Movement. Without the concerted actions of a minority within a minority taking actions that were described as un-American and counter productive nothing would have changed.
     
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    Is it the right way? No. Absolutely not.

    Is it the best way? Not by a long shot.

    Do they feel it's the only way they have? Yes.

    The wife of a friend of mine posted a story from her youth. It's a dumb little story, but does work as an allegory to current events.

    When she was in 5th grade her school sat everyone in the lunch room by alphabetical order. Amy sat next to a boy who was a year younger than her but constantly harassed and bullied her. When she complained to the teachers Amy was told to "be patient with him, he's younger than you are". When she tried to switch seats on her own the teachers forced her back into her "proper" seat. In January she brought a screwdriver to school and started to remove screws from the lunch table until it was unstable. For a month she was free from abuse, but then the table was repaired and she was once again subject to the abuse from the boy. She would hide in the bathroom and fake getting sick to avoid this boy. One day while in line the boy was particularly rough, kicking her in the back of the knee. When she cried out the teacher told her to be quiet. The next day she pulled the fire alarm. Lord only knows what that cost the community, but that day she didn't have to suffer the abuse.

    Was it the right way? No.

    Was it the best way? No.

    Did she think it was her only option? Yes.

    The most dangerous of animals is the one who feels trapped. When you see no way out, nothing is too drastic.
     
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    do people realize how dumb they sound when they say looting, rioting and violence isnt the answer, have they not met the united states military lol
     
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