My Start at O/O

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Xanix, Oct 5, 2009.

  1. Jarhed1964

    Jarhed1964 Road Train Member

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    Lets see, where do I start.....

    Apparently you havent called ALL of them. There are quite a few who would take you now. Wont pay much, and you'll get dragged through the ringer, but you'll get experienced.

    BTW, EVERY seasoned driver wants their own bathroom and shower on their rig. Ever wonder why they dont have one?

    Wait.... NEW trucks dont have any issues with them? When did THAT happen? haha!! You haven't heard of the "Ghost" Cascadias that start up on their own when it's raining? Quite funny, and most likely covered by warranty, but it still takes you off the road for however long the repair takes. ALL new vehicles, trucks, cars, motorcycles, have issues when they are brand new. You cannot ever say for certain that a new truck wont have any issues. And still, putting a $15k sleeper on a truck, used or new, when you have no road experience, is foolish at best. What happens when you fall asleep at the wheel and wreck it? What about hitting those steel poles around the fuel islands and trashing it? You just lost $15k.

    That right there in bold is your biggest problem, if I may say so.

    Two things... driving doesnt usually bother ANYone until you start getting fatigued. And trust me, you WILL. I dont care HOW many monsters you chug down. Second, since when does trucking pay very well? Do you realize the average company driver does about $40k their first year? And that is on the HIGH side. Where I came from, that is NOT getting paid well.

    A LOT of people, folks who are much more experienced than you or I thought they were "definitely" going to make a profit too. That is not something you can decide. You CAN, but the freight rates, fuel costs, repair bills, maintenance bills, and freight AVAILABILITY is what is going to decide that, not how hungry and motivated you are, which I am impressed with by the way.

    If you would like, I could send you a short list of companies that do tend to hire newbies right out of CDL school, or who will train you to get your CDL. Say the word and you'll get a PM.

    BTW, notice I did not say that these companies will be packing your wallet with cash, because they wont. You'll be making peanuts but you will be learning.

    Despite your work history, I just dont think you fully grasp the difference between what you have done and are doing now, and the business of driving a truck for a living, whether O/O or Company Driver. It's not that easy. It's not like there are people standing around begging drivers to run miles. There arent enough miles to go around for the drivers that are out there now, much less for a new O/O who has monster payments on a brand new rooster cruiser with no experience. And good luck getting any decent freight and pay without any experience.

    I'll say it again, you are not running 160k miles off of a load board.
     
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  3. linadin

    linadin Light Load Member

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    I understand the cost of living is high in New Jersey. And you want your wife and child to go with you but like others have said OTR is no place for a newborn. The first couple of years are the most important for the development of your child. Please listen to those that have already said leave the child at home. Now back to the cost of living thing you might want to look at other alternatives. Since it looks like you have no problem leaving NJ maybe you should look at other areas in the country near major trucking routes for a place to live. You might find out the cost of living is very affordable down south. Also being living near a major trucking route would give you a chance to pop in and see them.
     
  4. broncrider

    broncrider Road Train Member

    maybe they do things different back east, but out here in montana the SBA does NOT provide loans, the banks do with an SBA garentee though

    who told you it was 5%?
    they are loopy
    mine is at 10.25%....with an 85% garentee, higher given today's economy i expect

    i never had to do any goofy classes either.......i just took a well tought out BP to the bank, and they ran it thru the SBA
    but then i had the experiance behind me, I wasnt a rookie with $$$$ in my eyes

    first time, i highly dought they will give you more than 50k, especially with a high risk loan (guess what, EVERY truck loan is considered high risk)
     
  5. Gears

    Gears Trucker Forum STAFF - Gone, But Not Forgotten.

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    It's like trying to get a 100,000 or more loan to buy a house without a job. I don't see it happening. More power to you if it does!
    Insurance is going to be the kicker. You may have a clean MVR and be able to get a low rate, but there's going to be restrictions such as a 3-500 mile radius where you can operate. That's going to put a dent in the ol' business plan. You do have one of those right?
    I've seen some super-sleeper type trucks, usually pulling moving vans. I cannot imagine what they alone do to fuel mileage let alone can't imagine trying to back a trailer with one of those puppies in a downtown street dock.
     
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  6. RedBeard

    RedBeard Medium Load Member

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    Hear hear! Some of the best areas to live (IMO of course) for a trucker are near, but not necessarily in, the following cities:

    Chattanooga (I-24, I-59, and I-75)
    Atlanta (I-20, I-75, and I-85)
    Charlotte (I-77 and I-85)
    Birmingham (I-20, I-59, and I-65)
    Louisville (I-64, I-65, and I-71)
    Cincinnati (I-71, I-74, and I-75)
    Indianapolis (I-65, I-69, I-70, and I-74)
    St. Louis (I-44, I-55, I-64, and I-70)
    Dallas/Ft. Worth (I-20, I-30, I-35, and I-45)

    See a pattern emerging here? Since most of the freight is going to, from, or through the middle of an area that can be drawn by tracing I-35, I-10, I-80 and I-95, that narrows it down a little. Staying towards the middle of that area, not in the extreme northern end (overall high cost of living) or southern end (real estate on/near the Gulf of Mexico is overpriced), helps with cost of living (and freight availability). In those areas, I just looked for junctions of major highways and came up with that list off the top of my head. Living outside of town helps with real estate prices and makes parking a truck a little easier (many cities have zoning laws about parking commercial trucks in residential areas, and good luck finding a reasonably priced place with a yard big enough to park a truck in any heavily urban area).

    Just a couple thoughts on the matter :)
     
  7. dino6960

    dino6960 YOUDAMAN

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    keep your bebt llow its called low cost high production and the way freighta moveing now it called servivil production ,thell give you a good paying load intyo an area that cost you money to get out of or atleast break ever or just covers your fuel getting out and no guaretee of ending up in another good area:biggrin_2557:
     
  8. Xanix

    Xanix Bobtail Member

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    well i have done even more reseach and insurance will not cover a newborn on the ruck unless my child is past 8 years old. thats the youngest they would cover so my wife and newborn will stay home. also on the insurance part they didnt say anything about a limit on how far i could drive as i asked the radius limit i would have.

    also i finally found a site with the correct freight rates here http://rateindex.transcore.com/charts/national.aspx

    now even at that price and say doing what everyone says i will be doing 100k miles per year i still come out to net 34k. and i can still make the payments on my truck. just that the loan is over 10 years. and yes you can get full financial startup money from the SBA. im not talking about an sba loan from the bank im talking sba loan from the sba. its a whole bunch and hoops you need to jump through. as long as you have a solid buisness plan and model in your proposal, attend there classes and willing to wait a few months then you to could start any kind of buisness you wanted. tho it would be far easier for me to go to the bank and acquire a sba loan from them but the % rate would be a killer. anyway im not looking to get rich. i know that will never happen in this industry. but i am looking for a stable career path that can cover what i need to have.


    and for everyone who says there is nothing to be made in this field of work because everything is low and people are being forced out or getting laid off, where someone else fails or misfortune someone else can prosper. its sad but realistic. you also need to take in account the many people that retire each year, without adding on the layoffs because big company's are stream lining there routes or packing the most they can pack into a truck to save costs.

    also for fuel mileage with the cascada from frieghtliner gets 6 mpg. with the custom sleeper and the added weight with a full load would get 5.5 mpg. so its gonna be pretty much the same as an old rig
     
  9. Xanix

    Xanix Bobtail Member

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    i have seen a couple this past week but why doesnt everyone have one? the cost and extra weight added onto the rig, if the weight gets to high then you cant haul as much freight.


    a new vehicle has a statistical figure to prove there more reliable then a used vehicle, what would you feel safer in, a new car from the factory or a used car for 25 bucks that looks like hell and has 400k miles on it? you need to ask yourself whats gonna break and how much is it going to cost to fix and then repeat that over and over as used vehicles turn into money pits.


    one i dont drink monster drinkers or any kinds of energy drinks, i drive 1 hr and 30 mins to work on way. put in a 10-14 hour day driving 190 to 340 miles per day. i have 5 different routes each one might be longer or shorter. then i drive back home. so please tell me how come im not fatigued from that? the sad part is that im very much used to working very long days. and 40k is getting paid very well to me as i net less then 17k per year as it is now.

    depends on how much profit they were looking for, and yes i know that fuel, freight rate, fuel surcharge and whats available to ship changes all the time. but for the past 2 months i have seen loads for 2k miles on every day. i am registered on a few load-boards already. i am not greedy, as long as my cost of going there is 100% covered and i make some money off of the deal then its a profit to me. remeber im not looking to get millionare rich here

    i have called and spoke to 57 different companies that take on student drivers and i get pretty much the same answers
    1. not hiring in your area
    2. no OTR exp, need minimum 6 months
    3. not hiring at all at this time please check back later with us

    depends on what you call peanuts because to some it might be walnuts.

    i never said or implied its going to be easy, hell any owner or any type of management can tell you running something is never an easy job. it requires allot of hard work sweat and sometimes blood. also to monster payments, its broken down into 10 years, the big carriers that do lease purchase require monster payments for 3 years to pay for the rig. and i will agree with you sometimes there isnt any freight at the time. or not willing to drive 50 miles to go grab that good load. its a variable that always changes. and in any buisness you have to expect things change for bad or for worse and sometimes also risk gambling. if your afraid of taking risks then it will take maybe a lifetime to grow.

    maybe , maybe not.
     
  10. Xanix

    Xanix Bobtail Member

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    this is true, only time will teach the lessons of what area's not to go in :)
     
  11. Xanix

    Xanix Bobtail Member

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    thankyou for your response,

    as for a custom sleeper. yes i will be getting one witch would help save costs later down the road ( long term) as i wont pay for showers and i would be able to make my own meals on the truck. i wont be able to take my family due to insurance reasons. and for being on the road im planning on working 50 weeks out of the year.
     
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