N-14 Celect Plus injector issue in #3 hole

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  1. Kenan S

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    Can any one help? Last week the truck started a miss around 1000 RPM when going through the gears. It would blow a little white smoke and then clear up. When I got home I pulled the injector plugs and found that #3 was not firing. I have replaced it and it still does not fire. Put a meter on the wiring harness to it and is showing from .5 to 1.5. All the other holes are at 12 and better. Inspected the wiring and have found no visible damage yet. I'm going to disconnect from ECM tomorrow and check continuity on the wires for 3. Anyone have any thoughts or opinions?
     
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    Definitely due an ECM connector pin out test with a meter first. Also check the pass thru connector in the head. You can start the truck and check the power to the injector solenoid nuts with a meter on millivolts or a noid light. Cummins Celect plus uses an injector drive module inside the ECM I have seen them go bad and take a brand new injector out as soon as you fire it up doesn't always get the new injector but is common. Also its best to swap the missing hole with a known good hole and see if it moves with injector or stays.
     
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    I believe I've narrowed it past the pass thru's. 1st thing I did was swap 3 and 4 injectors. Still no luck on 3 hole it stays the same.
     
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    I would start by using a meter at the solenoid nuts, then unplug pass thru and check and compare ECM side of connector. Readings will pulse but should be equal. Cummins has about an equal chance of all these being the issue from wiring harness coming from ECM, pass thru connectors, and injector drivers in ECM. The whole unit will be replaced if its ECM you can't spend too much time here being sure it gets costly quick.
     
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  6. Kenan S

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    Thanks for the info. Will dig deeper in the morning. Think I'm going to track the pin down on the back of the ECM that goes to 3 and see if I'm getting anything going out. That should narrow it down between the ECM and the pass thru should it not? Have you ever tried a jumper wire off the pin to the pass thru? Just a thought......Don't know if it would work, but might trace the issue a little quicker. Sharp 359 by the way...Just put my 2 up on the profile page I think. Let you know what I come up with tomorrow.
     
  7. JohnP3

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    What I do is, I have kept the wiring off an old injector. I use it to plug into the conection out of the rocker box to test the pass threw. If you have an open conection then remove the bolt turn the conector 30 degrees and pull the passthru. Take a Pick and put it between the wires behind the injector conector. release the conector and test the injector for continuity. No need to even remove the valve cover, and you know. You can buy the passthru with the "O" ring or without, and the "O" ring seperate.
    Just a thought!
     
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    I rob every connector I can get my hands on and get by with it.
     
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    Went all thru the wiring today. Found nothing..... Multi meter said all was intact. Got to the point of removing my ECM and replacing it with one that I had from an engine on the ground and found that it didnt even start the truck. Come to find out they made 3 different ECMs for the N-14. I thought I could at least test my injector driver theory. Shot that to hell.... So I put the original one back on it and just for kicks fired it up. Number 3 worked fine. I think I'm going to replace the cross thru tomorrow. I will attempt your technique. That cross thru for # 3 is a booger to get to behind the intake.
     
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    It is great to have those extra parts around when you need them!
     
  11. JohnP3

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    I have found that many times the pass thru connector is tempature sensitive. Most fail at a higher heat, but some will fail at a mid range. That is why having the wire from an injector is such a great thing you disconnect the injector and test right away. There is no problem with the injector core charge and you also get a connector to use if needed.
    The ECM does not bring up a code.
    Just a thought!
     
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