N14 dropped valve or cracked piston

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  1. SmallPackage

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    Some brothers in my area have been in the cattle hauling party with their dad a long time out here. They have always been Cat guys for the most part. Well 12 years ago they ended up with one of my uncles Pete 358’s named “short block” with a bc 1 in it to use in their rodeo “clown” show. They have always been used to E model’s and lugged them around all the time. On 3 different occasion's I hear old short block coming from a mile away sounding like its anchored to a building and struggling to make any rpm’s. They come around the bend in front of my property with 24 round bales doing around 30mph in what sounded like top gear while wot. I said to myself them boys are gonna kill that thing lugging it like that as i cringed and cried.
    Needless to say soon after i see the truck sitting at there pens with the hood off and engine torn down. Ran into one of them a couple months later at the chrome shop and he was complaining to me how the engine work was crap in that truck and it wouldn’t hold together. He said they put a straight edge on the deck and it had white capped waves on it. Lol! Smh. 10 years later it still sits because now they wanna put a Cat in it. Smh.
     
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  3. mile marker 27

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    I’ll check that. That wouldn’t cause excessive crankcase pressure though, would it?
     
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    Spun bearing no but broke piston would. Spun bearing could cause broke piston if it hit something on its stroke.
     
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    Result in low or lower oil pressure? My oil pressure hasn’t changed.
     
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    I have seen spun bearings result in no oil psi change before. Cummins oil pumps are like fire hose pumps they move a ton of oil and are overkill. They were regulated many different ways over the engine generations. The old nh’s ran 100 psi cold 80 hot with same design 75 years ago.
     
  7. mile marker 27

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    Started tearing into it and doesn’t look to have a valve out of place. Looking through the boxes I can’t see anything out of the ordinary. Removed the manifold and the exhaust ports on the front head have oil inside them. That said, with the crankcase pressure it had, along with blowing oil through the front main and possibly the accessory drive seal, was it most likely pushing oil towards the turbo through the return line, flooding it with oil?
     
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    Here’s some pic though not the best. IMG_4504.jpeg IMG_4503.jpeg IMG_4502.jpeg IMG_4501.jpeg
     
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  9. W923

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    It looks like number 2 is considerably more oily than the rest. Might be an indication of a problem or just sucked in more oil from the turbo than the others. It would appear in the pictures that everything up top is ok. You might have to start pulling heads to look for the cracked piston. It might or might not be pretty obvious. Do you know any history of this engine
     
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    Have you tried running it with the top off and see if one rocker box has more steam rising from it?
     
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    I haven’t but might get to this afternoon. I’m in the middle of trying to harvest corn and rice at the same time, bouncing between two combines. Hectic time of year. I’ve got to thinking too, that it’s quite probable that a piston cooler has failed.
     
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