This vehicle is a 2000 century class with a cummins n14. It has been converted into a toterhome, so I am not really as familiar with big diesels as most of you all. It is having some issues cranking in cold weather and I would like to know if this is normal and just requires more use of the block heater or if I should replace some batteries.
I got the truck last year and 3 of the 4 batteries it had were junk. I put 2 new ones in along with the one that was okay and that took care of things. I do remember that in the cold it would crank slower but it was a very mild winter last year and I don't think I ever cranked it with temps under 30F. Lately we have had temps around 25F and if I try to start it will turn over slowly a couple times and then it doesn't want to go anymore. The last time it did this I plugged it in the block heater for 30-40 min and it cranked over pretty good after that and fired up. I wish I was able to use the block heater more but it is at an outdoor storage unit. Then after the truck warms up it can be restarted with no problem, cranks over just fine. Obviously in addition to the engine being warm the batteries are also freshly juiced up from the trucks alternator. So basically what I would like to know is - is this a normal behavior or should I add another new battery to the system? Thanks
. . .I think of cold weather and diesels as an issue of not being able to get combustion mixture temps up enough to initiate combustion. I wouldn't think that the thick oil would make this big of a difference but like I said this is my first time dealing with an engine of this size.
n14 in century class . . .when to plug in block heater
Discussion in 'Freightliner Forum' started by mcurcio1989, Dec 3, 2013.
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It never hurts to plug in the block heater, no matter the temperature. I used to service emergency standby generators that used the same basic engines that you find in trucks. They need to start and come up to full power within 20 seconds, so they have coolant heaters that circulate and keep the engine close to 180F at all times. With such a low duty cycle and no cold starts, those things will last forever.
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test all batteries just to be sure. you said 3 of the 4 were junk but you only replaced 2 and kept the other so so battery. and you've gone over a year on them. it's usually a good idea to replace all 4. one bad battery can really play havoc with the remaining 3 good batteries. specially if it's to the point it's not working.
i drove a FL dump truck that wouldn't crank. it took ME the driver to eventually find loose battery connections. which fixed the cold cranking problem. 30 degrees is when i started plugging in.
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I agree with snowwy and windsmith. Always a good idea to have it plugged in for at least 4 hours if it is cold. I was always told to change all batteries at same time ( any battery that is still good can be used somewhere else by its self) and being a toterhome it is a good idea to disconnect the ground cables when in storage.
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As I was told, a truck is only good as it's batteries. Besides, common sense tells me, cost of new battery v.s. Road service call for dead battery. Which would you prefer? Batteries are one of the few least expensive components to replace kn a truck and I can't believe you are contemplating this, makes no sense.
Last edited: Dec 3, 2013
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I put in some AGM batteries I bought from Sears...they were not cheap, but they have been great and the truck cranks up a lot better. The AGM batteries are less susceptible to road vibration and seem to handle house loads better, too.
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4 is better than 3 in my opinion, (I'm sure that will start an argument). And I am assuming that you are not starting and driving a toterhome every day, so on top of being 1 battery short, and being cold, you are also dealing with parasitic drain. No matter how many batteries you put in it, if you don't start and drive it at least once a week it's going to be hard to start in the winter. Since you don't have access to a constant flow of electricity for the block heater, you might want to look into some kind of solar battery tender.
https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF8&q=solar battery tender
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If I do anything I am just going to check the three I have that they are all holding a charge good and then buy a fourth to drop in there. I was advised (I believe on this forum) that 4 batteries were not necessary and thus I asked this question. I hate to be a dick but I don't see how a battery is a cheap component to replace on this truck - with 4 good batteries your looking at $500 easy which is 10 times what I paid for road side assistance for the year that will jump me if the need arises. I know things add up on these but its a little different when your not driving for a living. Far as I am concerned if the truck won't start under 30F but starts fine after it is plugged into the block heater for a while that is really not much of a problem. Shouldn't subject it to that cold of a start anyways. I do like the solar powered battery tender idea and I agree that more batteries (so long as they are all at 12v) is better. Your getting more amps and less voltage drop when the starter cranks.
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