N14 Top End Knock

Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by SpeedyGonzalez, Sep 3, 2019.

  1. SpeedyGonzalez

    SpeedyGonzalez Light Load Member

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    Thanks for the help everyone, looks like the engine just failed. According to the driver the number 2 injector push tube was eaten by the cam or fell into the pan if that is possible, all I know for sure is that it is not visible from the from the top of the engine. Who knows, there might be an n14 rebuild thread coming up.
     
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  3. xsetra

    xsetra Road Train Member

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    That's the sure way to find the problem.
    My rebuild cost $11g in January.
    N14 injectors and heads.
    Good luck.
     
  4. swaan

    swaan Road Train Member

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    Cam follower failed then push tube dropped.
     
  5. Working2party

    Working2party Medium Load Member

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    Could be as simple as new push rods. Could’ve gotten the cam and a set of followers.

    If the blow-by /oil consumption was good I wouldn’t look toward an OH yet. Some of the old boys I’ve talked to, (not about your particular problem) have said the 855 and it’s predecessors wede bad about bending push rods and Wiping cam lobes.

    When you get her back to the shop. Pull the rockers and Jakes and see what you got. If the followers look hurt/marked/ scratched/bent from the top side, pull the pan and check the cam.

    I did basically the same repair on a 444 with aftermarket parts for @ $3500 in parts and about 5 cases of beer!! Jk, I ‘mean, @ 30-40 labor hrs. It was a slow diagnostic and a slower learning curve on timing it. None the less, 2 1/2 years later it’s still running strong.
     
  6. SpeedyGonzalez

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    The blow-by and oil consumption were darn near non-existent, the other truck was at a gallon and a half oil added by oil change time.
    I'm hoping its just the cam follower lol, I don't have the timing tool for the N14 and not sure how long it would take to get one. If it is the follower can I replace the follower with a new one and use the same shims? If that's the case I might just pull one off the other truck and run it down to the driver.

    Apparently, the tow driver changed his mind on how far he was willing to drive this late and dropped the driver and truck at a rest stop about 200 miles from me so I'm hoping I can get it running enough to have the driver limp it bobtail back home.
     
  7. Working2party

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    You can just reuse the same number/type of gaskets if it’s just the follower.

    If it’s the cam you’ll want to time it. You can buy the timing tool, their available. But I built one because I’m cheap and I only planned on working on one of theses! Basically I gutted a rocker box and bought a differential ring gear dial indicator kit. And bolted to the top of the rocker box so it’s solid And a scratch pad for the math. Worked well enough to make it run right.
     
  8. Working2party

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    Now that I think about it, I wasn’t able to just replace the gaskets because I could get the old ones separated enough to tell which ones they were. So I built the timing tool.
     
  9. SpeedyGonzalez

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    I'm having the driver try to pull the rocker box tommorow morning to see what I need before I leave here. Fingers crossed its just a broken follower, it's a small family business so asking for nice expensive tools ain't happening, it looks simple enough to build, just a stand for 2 dial gauges with solid enough springs to keep the push tube centered and one long enough to find true TDC off the piston. Got any pics of yours?
     
  10. Working2party

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    Yep, there was an extension kit I bought as well, I couldn’t find them locally so they became my first ever eBay purchase.

    Basicly, if you have the two indicators and the extension kit. You need 2 - 3/8 x 1/4 thread brass air fittings. And two small pieces of flat iron, (I only used a mount and one plate out of the ring gear kit that I could have came around for less money).

    Thread brass air fittings and 2 peices of iron 1”x 6”x 1/4” plate. Drill and tap one end to accept the brass fittings and you’ll have drill the other side (5/16”) so that the indicators will center up over the pushrod and piston when bolted down on top of your gutted rocker box. Bolt the rocker box down with a couple bolts and take your measurements.

    The spring tension in the new dial indicator was enough to keep everything in line. If nothing else have a second set of hands holding a finger down on top of them.
     
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    Sorry didn’t see the last part of your post, no pictures with me, i’m Pretty sure if I dig down 2 1/2 years into the catch all drawer I’ll find the stuff tomorrow. Hopefully my description above is enough to picture it.

    But I’ll try to remember, on a side note, I need to get a brake comparison chart posted on another thread!!
     
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