Hello.This is my first post so please answer.I have just sarted my training on truck.The truck is 13 speed.Trainer does not tell me that much.After my second trip i was having little bit easy on upshifting.First of all iam not using cltuch at all on my upshiting.engine noise tells me when i have to upshift.Now downshifting looks hard to me.i have to practice with clutch and without clutch afterwards.Since i drive on plain hwys.My observation shows me when truck speed is above 95 kmh uses 8th high gear.when engine rpm drops to 1000 and speed nearly 90 kmh quikly shift to 8th lower gearTrue be honest after that iam having problem in lowering other gears either i focus on breaking or i missed gears.I called my friend he suggest me.If you missed gear then according to speed you can skip gears as well.he told me thmb of rule if you miss gear and you start breaking watch speed say it is 60-70 try sixth lower or seventh high gear.Since iam breaking rpm will below 1000 as well.He told me increase rpm above 1500 make gear lever gently closer to 7th high gear when rpm matches with speed will automatically put in 7th high gear.Same speed between 50-60 kmh try 5th lower or 6th higher gear.6th higher is easier to put as just making rpms above 1500 while 5th lower is hard to put by making rpm clo to 2000.Same 40-50 ramp speed try to put in 5th high gear by matching rpm closer to 1500.Can i ask is this sugestion true before i try on my truck.Thanks.
need good advice
Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by karand, May 7, 2012.
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They'll teach you in school to come out at 1000 rpm's and bump to 1600 to drop a gear. That'll help you get the hang of it but when you get experienced you'll go more by sound.
I try to keep it closer together and come out around 1200 with a light bump to 1600. You are easier on the engine that way. 1600 also has more slowing power than 1500 without over working the engine. If you want to drop below 1000, you can continue braking down to 700, bump to 1500-1600 and drop two gears.
A 13 speed the gears are closer together, so go lighter on the bumps.
I would get down the double clutching before you progress to floating the gears. Remember it's a three step motion. Out of gear, bump, in gear.123456 Thanks this. -
Thanks.condocruiser for reply.I have learn double de clutching in school and true to be honest from eighth high to sixth lower gear i can comfortably lower gears with double clutcing.My trainee told me donot use clutch now and i start grinding gears when i missed one gear.can i ask skiping gears speed vs rpm my freind has suggested me is it going to work.Thanks.
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You'll get use to gear versus road speed. It seems like a lot now but with more practice you'll know what gear to grab without much thinking.
To learn, start noticing the speed of each gear when you are upshifting instead of just the tach.
If you know you corner easy turns normally in 4th, then judge that road speed in comparison. I'm going a little bit faster, hmmm, I might need 6th. It'll come to you. It just takes practice.
One common mistake new drivers make is they over rev the engine when downshifting. Be light on the throttle and give it a simple bump and you'll see yourself catching gears easier.
Don't get distracted by braking. It all works together. Take it in steps. Brake to drop rpms, gear out, bump, gear in, let the engine work as you brake some more, gear out, bump, gear in....
Approaching red lights from a distance you don't even need to brake. Go into coasting and downshifting mode as you have more time.
When you improve, then you can introduce the engine brake into the mix. If you get into a hard braking situation, for now concentrate on braking. An experienced driver can possibly grab a gear and brake instantaneously. A new driver might miss the gear, panic and find them self braking harder than planned.
It's much easier for a new driver to double clutch downshifting. Floating right off the bat takes a little more experience. The trainer is forgetting his early days and trying to pass on what he knows now. Eventually you'll get there. But I find it easier for a new driver to start from scratch and go through the training process than just make them learn the final product. -
thanks condocruiser.last night i drive in team from illnois to toronto.First time by myself drive 11 hours.cross border by myself.Team prartner was too much supportive.But before going in I look at eason fuller manf manual for 10 speed speed vs rpm chart for up and downshifting.Results of my prediction from chart works very well and shifting up and down was way smoother looks like iam enjoying driving.Today late night iam going to try 13 speed from chart and will post tomorrow.
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Ignore the chart and do it by feel.
When I was learning I tried to use the tach to judge my shifts and the only thing it did for me was take my concentration away from the sound and feel of shifting. -
Like I just posted on another thread to a newbie, if you feel you aren't being trained properly or just plain not getting along with your trainer, then speak up! Call the safety department and let them know what is going on and that you feel you just aren't being trained.
THIS IS YOUR CAREER!!!! Don't sell yourself short because of some idiot trainer! If you don't know what you are doing out there or don't learn properly then you aren't going to make any money and on top of that could put yourself and others in danger.
Speak up!!! Trucking companies realize that they some crappy trainers and that not all people mesh or get along. It isn't uncommon for students to switch trainers so don't think it is a big deal.
Good luck!
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Dont Think FEEEELLLLLLLLLLL. Practice, Practice, Practice. You`ll get it. And a few years from now, you wont even remember that trainer. I can not remember mine, Oh, wait, I trained myself. Just keep practicing.
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thanks.all of you guys for putting suggestions.Practice makes man perfect.13 speed driving this time looks less pain as i took ease of gas pedal while upshifting.so far my yesterday exp show me while downshifting on fully loaded trailer.below 90kmh shift to 8l 70-80 kmh 7h, 60-70 7l, 50-60kmh 6h,40-50kmh 5h.rest gears i donot downshift.All rpms above 1500 to 2000 while downshifting.Hopefully things are getting closer.
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Go easy on yourself! You are a brand new driver! It will come in time. The more you relax though the better you will do. Once you get out on your own you can start floating gears and it will be even easier on you.
I think out of all the fears, concerns and worries, even the fact that this is a very dangerous career in all aspects, the thing newbies worry about the absolute most is shifting and backing! There is a good percentage of newbies that will actually choose a certain company because they drive all automatics, that's how worried they are about it!
Good luck!
You do get a spanking for saying "gas pedal" though!
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