need help load abandonment!

If he wants off the truck, I understand that. I just wouldnt do it under load. Whereever they are going, they should be there tomorrow. Finish what you started and jump ship.

 

i went to school. the truckersreport didn't exist back then.

i got my permit. went out with trainer. 3 weeks of her yelling was all i was gonna take. flew home. got a job elsewhere.

6 months later i pulled up my credit report. disputed the collections account for school. 30 days later it was gone. last year i saw my dac for the first time. it says eligible for rehire. NOTHING about abandonment.

i've had absolutely NO problems finding work. and i paid absolutely NOTHING my cdl.

back then they didn't start deducting till you were assigned a truck. after your 6 weeks training.

the schooling was GREAT. the female trainer i had was also GREAT. but she went from smiles and laughter to HOLLERING faster then you could flip a switch. and she was more HOLLERING then SMILES.

i beleive people should pay there dues for there contracts. but the people also don't need the abuse one takes through training.

and as for not being hireable. it's gonna take a lot more then jumping ship. the majority of companies know that people don't finish there training. they know somethings was wrong or happened. and they don't even give it the time of day for consideration.

if you bounce from job to job. it might be something. but as long as you can drive. THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT.

 

I would'nt put nothing past trucking companies.Why don't you wait till you get to the terminal just to be on the safe side and not under a load.Or give your dispatcher a heads up that you want off the truck.You need to think of a load abandonement from the companies side.Load abandonement could mean a late load and loses a custmer or fined for being late.You better just stick it out till you're not under a load.

 

It is still abandoned by most companies since the truck is dispatched as a team truck and he left the truck stuck a driver short while dispatched.

 

sounds like my mother trained you lmao

 

I'd still petition DAC for at least a quit under dispatch.

 

Myself and 6 others acknowledged this post and his decision....yet farther into the thread, this statement is ignored by most!

Actually it will be "quit before completing training"

Interesting comparisons...military (not even close in comparison), marriage (a commitment true, with a very expensive "out clause" attached)!

How do you "join the military" and "get a contract" for the Motor Pool? Joining the military does not allow for the "member" to have a "civilian contract" with any department. One must get discharged from your "commitment" (generally term is used by USMC, "obligation" by all other branches)...before you can bid for a "civilian contract". The "Obligation Contract" one signs with the Federal Government is so different than any Financial Obligation through contract agreement with this industry. [i.e. student loan for training]

Somehow...I don't think our OP sought out the company he is training with, I think it is the other way around....they "recruited" him. We don't know if this was the only company he applied to, but this is the company he chose to get his training. His own statement is that he accepts the obligation to his repayment for the cost(s) of his training, and his commitment to repay is yet "unproven"....that will come in time....his time, not ours!

You don't want to know how much he "saved" by completing the agreement? Many coming into this industry are one step away from "homeless"...where are they supposed to get the $$$ to get the training to drive a big rig...not from their unemployment income....which actually is a key factor in why the turn over rates are so high, why the "work ethic" is lacking, and why so many are simply "not qualified" to be driving a big rig.....NO MOTIVATION on the "personal level"!

This should be good!

Yes he was "hired"/"employed" by this company. Why? 1. Payroll. It is illegal to "pay under the table", therefore, in order to "compensate" the "trainee/student", this individual must be "employed by" the company.
2. Liability. In order for someone to be covered by company insurance (work injury), that individual needs to be "part of the company", as an "employee" or within the conditions of a "contract agreement" between both parties. Many states require "Workers Comp", with this comes a cost, the employer bears the cost for it's employees, some contractors either share the cost or pay for the required cost themselves.
3. Not part of the "WHY"....but I like the number 3....FMCSA is not part of this discussion, they do have "minimum requirements" for persons working in this industry, they also have certain requirements that will disallow persons from entering this industry. As to the "drug/alcohol testing"....SO WHAT?!? What industry doesn't have these requirements? And HOS Regulations? What does that have to do with a "new student" and your "abandonment" issue? Does he have to wait to get off the truck or quit the company during his 14 hour available for duty period, can he not quit or leave when he is in a 10 hour break period? OH....he can't quit or leave if he is doing a 34 restart, or if he has used up his 70 hours for the 8 day period!

Give me a break....try obfuscating another issue....but please try to have it blend in a bit smoother!

He is "given" a trainer...another employee (or contracted person to the Company, i.e. L/O, O/O) that has the authority (and hopefully) the training to teach this "new student" how the company operates and wants their employees to work within their business model.

WOW!!!! Are you serious?

"Both are assigned to a tractor and/or a trailer".....I don't know about your company's equipment, but without the tractor....that trailer ain't moving anywhere!

Are you sure you're in the same industry (trucking) as the rest of us? Have you ever heard the term: "Power Only"? "Power Only" refers to the tractor (you know the part that has the big diesel engine designed to pull a trailer). Nowhere does "dispatch" come into "under power"....a dispatch is a "load assignment", a unit or set of units is (here's your favorite word of the day) assigned to pick up and deliver said order from Point-A to Point-B.

Here is a big problem with our industry....depending n which "zone", which "area", or which "coast" you are from, the terminology can be different yet mean the same thing from one area/zone/coast to another. Maybe that is where this "terminology" you are using is befuddling me!

You know this from personal experience? With my old CB set up...I used to talk to guys from W. Memphis clear out in CA.....so what's your point? Never mind...it was a weak attempt at humor i understand!

"New driver"...now we are getting somewhere! How is it that when different opinions are offered, those opinions that differ are categorized as "confusion"? If you ask a friend to go to the store to buy you some apples, yet you don't qualify which type of apple you want, and your friend comes back with one Granny Smith, one Red Delicious, one Fuji, and one Golden Delicious...would you be "confused" as to which one you should eat first? Advice, or opinions, work the same way...our OP brought a semi straight forward question to us, whether his trainer in telling him that "truck abandonment" would be put on his DAC if he quit was correct. Our OP has been given several differing opinions....but now you assume that by having all these different "choices" to work with, he is confused. You definitely are in Management with that "small opinion" of drivers...especially "new drivers". Would it be safe for me to "assume" you also have the same disdain for "experienced drivers"? Do you hold the old axiom; "dumb as a truck driver", near and dear to your heart? Why else would you preface your first post with a title opening; "SAFETY DIRECTOR"? To posture yourself as "one of authority"? Sorry Charlie, the tuna boat done left the harbor!

First the W. Memphis remark, now you want me to do what....for free? DUDE! Just because I'm from CA doesn't imply THAT!!!!

I do many things for free...teach "new drivers" how to chain up a big rig (YouTube video), help "new" and "old" drivers get into a tight parking spot/dock, log book help...many things....but not.....THAT, and, I don't "toe tap" in bathroom stalls, especially in ID!

Why don't you look up how to use the term in a sentence! Here is the correct version: "Are you an attorney willing to do pro bono work?" You see, when you insert Latin into English script, the "foreign" wording should be italicized, to show, or set off the difference.

Actually, it wouldn't be a defense, it would be counsel for litigation, the defense would be the Company (using my earlier context of our OP suing for slander) that would be "defending". Here let me help you and save you some time:

Correct, I am not an attorney, not licensed to practice law. However, our OP could file and try his own case pro se....LOOK IT UP!

My opinions are just that opinions, not legal advice. And, judging by your comments, industry advice is better given by those currently involved in the industry, which I am, and being this is a "public forum", I am only restricted to commenting within the guidelines, or rules, that this forum and I agreed to abide by. Therefore, my opinions are just that...open to public discernment and discretion. What your opinion of my opinions are is your issue, and any who read them it is their issue to gather the merit or lack thereof.

I hope it isn't the same SAFETY DIRECTOR I just needled!

If that company is dispatching the truck he is on as a "new student".....how much "training" would he be "lucky" to get? Any company that sends out a "newbie" under a true "team" dispatch obviously (judging by what I see going down the highway) isn't "training"!

 

It's been a lotta moons since my experience in this realm, but at the time when you volunteered for service the enlistment contract that you signed obligated you to an enlistment in the military and could provide for training in a particular area. It's quite possible to have enlisted with a contract for training in a particular MOS such as "Motor Pool." Having dealt with the technical training end of things, we specifically had folks coming through my school who had asked for a field that was not only training in radar but also was confined to a particular aircraft- the McDonnell F4E. It was part and parcel of that MOS. The contract also provided that if you were unable to complete the training, that the military would find something suitable for you. At Lowry AFB, that usually meant weapons load training... bomb loading monkey. In addition, the enlistment contract also spelled out that if the enlistee consciously made him/herself unfit for duty, that unspecified legal consequences could occur. Generally this defaulted to an Article 15 non-judicial punishment, but could (and did in one instance) result in a general courts martial. That contract had some serious teeth in it.

 

You of all people here, should understand the difference between "stated" and "inferred" descriptions within a "contract".

When you "volunteer" for service in the military, yes you sign an "enlistment contract", but what does that "contract" guarantee? Does it ("it" being the enlistment agreement) guarantee training in a specific field of endeavor? Or does it simply state that you (the enlistee) will serve in the ACTIVE MILITARY FORCE for a specified amount of time? Think about it! You (as a volunteer enlistee, the draft was completely different) were given "options" as to time in ACTIVE service, and time in "inactive" service...generally both totaled 6 years, and at the time of your ACTIVE DUTY contract was close to expiring, you were now offered an opportunity to "re-enlist"...in other words, extend the original agreement.

Now...when you were first "discussing" your MOS options with your recruiter, did he/she not tell you that you would have to take a series of tests to find your "strongest" option with regard to your knowledge and experience? And with the results of these tests, did you not then sit down and have a choice of which you would "prefer"....now here comes the caveat! That recruiter now tells you that: "I will send this in requesting your posting in this MOS...however, if the training school is full, we will place you in a training that is needed for _________ (insert the branch of service in the blank)."

When this occurs....and 9 times out of 10, the recruit doesn't find out until Basic Training is completed.....does this breech the original "contract of enlistment"? NO it does not...since the original "contract" was (after removing all the shadows and legal mumbo-jumbo verbiage) was as we all find out....an agreement on the amount of time the original enlistment stated.

Even though the recruiter "said" this would be your MOS, it isn't guaranteed within the contract. And for those that did get the MOS they "desired" directly out of Basic Training, they still have the contract of time, not of position or training....just time. Once this "time" is completed, then the soldier becomes a civilian, and can enter a "contract" to serve in a specific job function under contract with the Government. But a soldier, while in active duty status, cannot as a civilian be bound, or bind the government in a contract. A soldier who is serving as a member of a guard unit, or inactive reserve, can enter into a civilian contract with the Government, but that contract has it's own caveat....that if called to ACTIVE DUTY, the contract is suspended, until civilian status is once again attained.

 

good morning OTTER....LOL