Need help staying awake/falling asleep:

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Powell-Peralta, May 14, 2009.

  1. Powell-Peralta

    Powell-Peralta Road Train Member

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    Alright, what's happening now is that i'm doing some irregular (very irregular) and unpredictable shift work.

    So, i'm wondering if there are anyways to:

    1) Quickly adjust to unexpected shift changes.

    2) stay awake

    3) fall asleep


    i would prefer not to take pills/drugs unless absolutely nessesary. Are there any other ways that you may know of to adjust and/or stay awake and/or fall asleep on demand which i know is not easy.

    i do know of a podcast that can help you fall asleep easier faster (assuming you've been up for a while) and i can provide that link if anyone wants if you pm me. It's pretty amazing. But here, it won't make you fall asleep on demand unless you really could use the sleep. Example, if you've just woken up after a 8 hour sleep, it won't work.

    i think singing will help you stay awake, but really that's not a real solution; It only works short-term so you don't nod-off while driving until you can get to a safe place to stop.
     
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  3. doubledragon5

    doubledragon5 Road Train Member

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    I work a lot of irregular hrs my self. The best thing is when you get home from work, eat, close the blinds in your room if you have them. Make sure the tv if you have one in your room is off and let your body do the rest. I find that when it is peaceful and quite, no matter what time it is I can sleep..
     
  4. Sportster2000

    Sportster2000 Road Train Member

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    I went from nights to days every other week. I spent the weekend adjusting from one to the other. When I would drive nights for the first two nights I would have to take an energy drink to keep myself with a comfortable level of awakeness. After the first two nights I was OK with it. As far as falling asleep it just happens. It may not last as long as what I would have liked but then I would try to stay up later to make myself sleep later. It didn't always work.
     
  5. Powell-Peralta

    Powell-Peralta Road Train Member

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    i'm "ok" with the energy drinks short term; Afterall it's not a drug---or is it? But i can't drink too much as my stomach can't take it.

    In another podcast, a neurologist stated that switching from night shift to day shift every week was the worst thing you could do.
     
  6. Red Fox

    Red Fox Road Train Member

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    It is. We're not naturally nocturnal and need routine for best sleep. Energy drinks are not without some minor drawbacks, like the body getting used to them and then they don't work very well. Guarana is a bit on the safe side (like in Sobee drinks) if you space it out. Stuff like Ephedra is very bad on the nervous system and should be avoided.
    I learned harmonica to stay awake: oxygenating the bod creates wakefulness: the walk into the truckumup is more beneficial than a cup of coffee. Pushups come to mind...
    I like heavy music for workouts, but not for staying awake: it beats you down after a while. But Celine Dion won't exactly spark your brain much either, so...
    Opening the window and sticking the head out is always fun. Water.
    For a nod emergency, I thought of ammonia inhalers...they really work a wild job on you when doing squats or deadlifts. I'm not saying that it's very pleasant though.
    I don't know if they're company legal, but out of all the thermogenics I've used for workouts when I was tired over the years, my two favorites for effect and not screwing with the nerves are Stacker2's you get at the drugstores, and this stuff in a red box called PheraPlex. One of those is enough to power me through a 3 hour blitz workout plus uptime.
    Take NO thermo's any less than 7-8 hours before time to hit the sack, or you ain't gonna sleep. For some, even more. Taking more than prescribed doses usually just makes you jittery and sick, not more awake. I'd only use them when I had to, not often.
     
    panhandlepat Thanks this.
  7. notarps4me

    notarps4me Road Train Member

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    Wonder how many drivers you kept awake while you was learning....:biggrin_2554::biggrin_25523: I need to pick mine back up. I got a few of them, but it has been a few years since I messed with them. OTR trucking is hard on a sleep pattern. Often you get a run that throws your schedule off. Seems like when I got one of them odd runs I had a hard time getting back on the day shift. I used to like to run at nights back before old age and bifocals...:biggrin_2554: Best thing to keep awake is proper sleep before you drive. Some like the high speed chicken feed...., but that will cost you in the long run...:biggrin_2554:
     
  8. GAPrincess

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    Uh huh, I bet that neurologist never had to make a living as a trucker, nurse, factory worker, or any other type of shift worker.:biggrin_25512:
     
  9. Powell-Peralta

    Powell-Peralta Road Train Member

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    1) Mmmmm........i somewhat disagree. i think Celine Dion would be good to help stay awake because i think it takes alot of air to sing those songs; And this, for some biological reason---as you mentioned with the harmonica, helps to keep you awake.

    Try singing these songs. In fact, i will try myself---thanks for the idea.

    a)"The power of love."
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee3iuhJaA6A

    b)"Where does my heart beat now?"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE75JIPnEas

    2) For some reason, excercise really didn't work for more than 15mins for me---i guess i was really tired and should have just shut it down and slept.

    3) i've tried the open the window and stick your head out---in the rain! As with the excercise, it didn't really have any long-term effect---sleepy after a few mins. And again, i was probably too tired and should have pulled over.

    4) Are ammonia inhalers legal?
    a) If so, where to get them?

    5) i tried the stackers and i personally don't really like the idea of using them. i generally don't like the idea of having to take pills to do my job. More of this in a sec.

    6) i agree that the best way to stay awake is proper sleep before you drive; i think i may have come up with a strategy which i'll get into in a sec.

    7) True, but i think the neurologist very likely had to serve an internship where they have to assist a surgeon or something and that often means staying up for like 36 hours or something. He did a study and that's how he came to the conclusion that the weekly flip floping is the worst thing you can do----monthly or even daily would be better.

    8 ) i did some experimenting last night and what i've come up with is sort of a "guerilla shift adaptment" if you will:

    One hour before finishing the "new" shift, i down over-the-counter sleeping pills; This makes me sleep a little bit more than the time i am used to waking up if the time am a going to sleep is within the time frame that i am used to sleeping. If it's after the time i normally get up, the pills help me to sleep 6.5 to 7-7.5 hours which is ok.

    So, basically, if i am working normally when i sleep, i am going to be tired anyways, but without "chemical intervention," i will generally only sleep to the point where i would normally wake up or maybe an hour or two more. But the pill(s) will make me sleep for at least 6.5 to 7 or 7.5 ish hours which is sufficient.

    Example: For the past week, i was used to sleeping 2am to about 10am working the 3pm to 11pm shift. Last night i had to work 9pm to 5am. So i took the pills at 3:30am, got home at about 5:15am and slept to about 12pm. Roughly 6.5 hours of sleep. If i didn't take the pills i would probably wake up at 10am and feel like crap.

    These are over-the-counter sleeping pills, so it's not that big a deal. Also, for me name brand are unessesary---Walmart brand will do just fine.

    i generally don't like the idea of taking pills to do my job, but this is just temporary. With the economy the way it is, wierd stuff is going on at my terminal and unfortunately i have to roll with it.
     
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  10. TripleSix

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    Heres what I do:

    1. Idle the truck when sleeping. Dont even have to close the curtains...the engine's hum does it for me. Sun can be out, doesnt matter.
    2. Gotta drive through the night and want to stay attentive? Porn. Pop a DVD into your TV in the sleeper. You dont even have to see it...just hear it.
    3. Turn on the CB and share your favorite jokes with the outlaw truckers. The rambos will be in the truckstops and the graveyard shift still driving are actually pretty good guys.
    4. Catch a powernap right around sun up.
     
  11. Elvenhome21

    Elvenhome21 Heavy Load Member

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    Id love to see the look on other truckers faces as they pass you. I cant say it would really do much for me other then get annoying.

    When I drove team I had 2am-2pm shift. If I had to do the haul through nebraska and eastern CO Id throw the dvd player up on the steering column and kind of watch a movie. Normally these were movies could recite line for line so it was more of background noise with flickering light.
     
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