Need to buy a used single axle tractor. What engine?

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by giannid, Dec 6, 2015.

  1. Bakerman

    Bakerman Road Train Member

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    When I started 20 years ago I also had manuals in my city trucks, but over time have switched to autos-guys were just too hard on clutches and trannys.
     
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  3. mugurpe

    mugurpe Medium Load Member

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    Since we're barring pre-emissions equipment here are my suggestions:

    definitely get an allison, probably a 3060 or similar/related model. Cheap to maintain, super dependable, there's mountains of them out there. Mostly employee-proof.

    for emissions gear you can instantly ignore Navistar (international) & CAT. they have the most emissions problems in the given size range. The DT was a great motor but IH really went down the wrong rabbit hole with emissions. The C7 isn't as bad as the larger CAT engines but it's an orphaned product line so in the long term I'd skip it even though it'll be a good $2-$4000 less than an equally spec'd Cummins.

    The Mercedes engines aren't bad but they are a semi-orphaned product line and there wheren't heaps of them made so parts and mechanics that are going to be skilled with them might be harder to find.

    That leaves Cummins and Hino. The Hino engine is supposed to be good but parts and mechanic availability won't be as good as a cummins so it comes down to how close/good your local dealership is. The cummins ISB/ISC engines can be serviced ANYWHERE so they're a good choice and their early emissions engines aren't as bad as they might be and it's my understanding that through recalls and workarounds they're pretty solid now.

    So... unless you've got a rockstar Hino dealer around, cummins with an allison is your best bet. Paccar equipment (KW & Pete) have better electrical systems and are easier for independent mechanics to maintain, internationals are cheap but have good visibility and aren't bad to actually drive around in, but the electrical systems get flaky and can be expensive and dealer-ship intensive to maintian. Freightliner is freightliner and somewhere in the middle on all of these issues. I don't personally like the way the cabs are set up but there's plenty of them out there.

    If I where you I'd look for a single axle tractor spec'd for beverage delivery. Beer & soda delivery tractors. Especially the ones built from medium duty chassis (K270, pete 335, international 4300, FL m2). Those will be a bit cheaper, more likely to have the allison, and will be physically smaller which will help with novice drivers when they get in tight spots. I'd lean towards the paccar equipment as it's easier to maintain the small stuff yourself. Like real west-coast mirrors instead of $500 plastic ones that are a SOB to replace, dash switches that aren't computerized and don't require a degree in computers to diagnose. etc.

    Also, don't buy a truck from the northeast, I try and buy my used gear from the south east and drive it home due to rust.
     
  4. tnpete

    tnpete Medium Load Member

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    Its sad all these drivers that can't drive these days.. If its not a auto there lost. Had a fool try to car jack someone in Memphis Tn this past week. He got mad could not find drive in that 6 speed manual. LOL
    Not sure where your at, but there was a single axle FLD with auto for sale in Craigslist around Nashville Tn last week.
     
  5. giannid

    giannid Light Load Member

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    Mugurpe, thanks for the reply. Sounds like you know what you're talking about. Are you a technician or owner/operator? I found a bunch of trucks at a dealer in Utah and out west that were all ex beverage units and really clean. They all have Allisons in them but have International dt 466 or Mercedes MBE engine. Most of them are around 100k on the miles but I guess those are out from what your saying. I've always been a fan of the cummins engines but I'm just not finding them for sale and now I know why. Does anyone know when the emissions engines started in the heavy duty trucks? I believe it was 2003 but not sure. Would I be sage with a pre emission dt 466 or mercedes mbe even though I'm not even sure they made pre emissions. Hino, I don't think so, lol. I'm not even a big fan of some of the pre emission cats like the 3126.
     
  6. AModelCat

    AModelCat Road Train Member

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    Have you thought about chopping an axle out of a tandem truck?
     
  7. giannid

    giannid Light Load Member

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    It would be an option but trying to find an automatic is the hard part. I've never done it before but may be more expensive considering tim and money to do the job. Id have to move the rear axle and chop frame as I can't have the long wheelbase.
     
  8. mountaingote

    mountaingote Road Train Member

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    Didn't show up on yer search cuz they ain't cabovers...
     
  9. giannid

    giannid Light Load Member

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    I meant conventional. Sorry
     
  10. Bdog

    Bdog Road Train Member

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    I just traded off a 2007 single axle non CDL 4300 dump truck with the DT466. The truck was reliable but had no power. I drove it 700 miles last week to the place I traded it and I had difficulty maintaining 70mph on mild hills and this was empty.

    I hauled my 18k backhoe on a pintle trailer with it and would often drop to 30-40 mph on mild hills.

    I would get a bigger motor if going to be hauling the excavator.
     
  11. giannid

    giannid Light Load Member

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    More than anything it would be an occasional haul with that load. I figure I'll need 300 horsepower and 1000 ft pounds of torque from my experience. The truck will generally be loaded on the light side maybe 30000 pounds on average but may need to pull heavy on occasion if another truck goes down. The dt466 can be speced up to that power rating I believe. It's definitely not a powerhouse. This I know.
     
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