Need to practice backing, but no access to a truck, Help!

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by wannabetruckgirl, Jun 27, 2015.

  1. wannabetruckgirl

    wannabetruckgirl Bobtail Member

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    Thank you guys soooo much for all your help. My boyfriend saw this thread and became enraged. He unplugged the computer and threatened to leave me. But then he apologized and we made up and he took me to an open parking lot and we figured it all out, if you know what I mean.
     
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  3. Vilhiem

    Vilhiem Road Train Member

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    ...I'm...you know...not going to say anything. This is a thread on backing, not about the treatment of others.

    So...! Backing...!

    (Pun may or may not be intended...but that does kinda grind my gears.)
     
  4. FozzyNOK

    FozzyNOK Road Train Member

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    otherhalftw R.I.P.

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    Hopefully your boyfriend won't get upset with this...but it could help you learn:

    Use the steering wheel to your advantage! Everybody teaches "steer the opposite direction"...bad thinking, poor instruction!

    Your visual part of your brain is already doing a "reversal" with all the information coming in through the eye...it has to reverse the image to be processed. So when you try to think "opposite" you actually are stressing yourself a bit more. Here is the trick I taught all my students for 15 years:

    The top of the steering wheel turns the direction you want going forward, the bottom of the steering wheel turns the direction you want to turn going backwards.

    The set up is the most important part of backing into a dock or parking location. Let's learn what I call the "Banana Profile":
    1. With the units in a straight configuration, drive across the front of the location until the space between the tractor and trailer is at the midpoint of your location.
    2. As you cross this midpoint, turn right to a 45 degree angle away from the point. Drive straight (45 degrees from the location) until the tandems are at the midpoint of the location. (You must be watching your driver’s side mirror) As the tandems attain the midpoint turn the wheel left (again) to put a bend in the tractor/trailer until you have achieved the "Banana Profile". (The tractor/trailer has the same shape as a banana.) Now straighten up and continue until you have clearance of the driver’s side rear corner of the trailer and the location the trailer will be backing into.
    3. At this point, you should be able to smoothly "track" right into the "hole". Just visualize the line and adjust the turn aspect (declining) as you enter the hole and straighten up as you go.

    LET THE TRAILER DO THE WORK...ADJUST TO THE TRAILER, DON'T FORCE THE TURN MOVEMENT BY OVER STEERING. The longer the trailer, the more time it will take to show its movement. Don't get anxious, be patient, and let the trailer make some movement, then you correct the tractor to the movement of the trailer.

    1. When backing, place your hand palm down on the center bottom of the steering wheel.
    2. Use the bottom as your guide for the direction you want the back of the trailer to move.
    3. Having your hand, palm down, gripping the wheel will prevent you (with the natural limits of movement) from over-steering. DO NOT LET GO OF THE WHEEL!
    4. Grip the window post (the separation bar between the wing window and the door window) with your left hand, and again, DON'T LET GO. This "anchor" stops you from moving around in your seat...every time you move it changes the visual perspective in your mirrors...SIT STILL!
    5. A tractor/trailer combination will NEVER back in a straight line...you need to "add" and "subtract" turn movement constantly. A little adjustment either way will keep the units straight and where you want to go.
    6. If there is no "guide line" painted on the surface, visualize the straight line you want to line the driver’s side (sight side) of the trailer then the tractor onto.
    7. When you start backing, pay attention to the tandems (trailer wheels)...these are your first and primary points of lining up the unit. As soon as the tandems have gone into the box, begin reducing the turn aspect of the tractor (bring the nose around to the "square line" with the trailer. Now change your focus to the midpoint of the trailer...just before the midpoint gets to the "line", get the tractor square with the trailer so there is no turn occurring...you have achieved the aspect of straight line backing once the tractor is square with the trailer and the midpoint of the trailer is in the box.
    8. Keep in mind there are 3 "pivot points" to a tractor/trailer combination.
    8a. Tandems are the rear pivot.
    8b. King pin (drive wheels) is the center pivot.
    8c. Steer tires are the forward pivot.
    To move the tractor trailer either direction (right or left) you must accomplish an "S" configuration/movement with the tractor/trailer. Which direction you need to move the units is the direction you begin the movement. (This is for forward adjustments...if you have not centered the units in the dock.) To move it will require 3 steering movements...make sure the movement is sufficient (far enough forward in distance) to achieve the moving distance required (right or left). Just imagine you are driving on an "S" painted on the ground and follow it COMPLETELY.
     
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  6. dca

    dca Road Train Member

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    Dang, that's a mouth full.
     
  7. FuzzFace2

    FuzzFace2 Medium Load Member

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    Otter never thought to the “top & bottom” of the wheel for forward & back.

    I learned what direction the rear of the steer tires are pointing is where the trailer will go.

    As for renting a smaller trailer to practice with I think is good. It will teach you the basic of what happens with the input actions of you on the trailer. If you rent a small one next time rent a larger one and see how that handles differently. If you can also use different “tractors” (cars/trucks) with the rented trailers to see what happens.

    This way when you just into a big rig you will have the basics down and you would only need to adjust for pivot point & turning radius or lack thereof from the tractor.

    Oh I also back my large garden tractor & trailer up a 10 foot long ramp in to a 16 foot long shed. Mess this up and you dump the tractor & trailer off the ramp 2 foot to the ground …. Read roll it over on top of me.

    Dave ----
     
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  8. okiedokie

    okiedokie Road Train Member

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    Have 2 pivots, then the fun begins.
     
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